Covid 19 conspiracies dump

[Rev. Rye]

Cringe. No one said covid is not dangerous. How many lives do vaccine mandates save? The overwhelming majority of people in high risk categories have voluntarily gotten vaccinated, therefore they have decent protection already, and other people choosing not to get vaccinated doesn't mean much, because we're all going to get covid. Other people getting vaccinated is not going to stop you from getting covid. Time for you to accept this reality and quit acting like we're living through the black plague.

Is there any particular reason we're acting like seven-day average for deaths from COVID hasn't been skyocketing? Because, when I look at it right now, it's at 2,526 per day. The last time it was that high, the vaccine wasn't readily available. And now that it is available, it's the unvaccinated who are more likely to get it bad enough to get hospitalised and die. There's some merit in "natural immunity," but remember that in order to get that, you have to get the disease. And if you've neither had the vaccine nor the virus before you get sick, you're far more likely to get a bad case, or die.

We may all end up getting COVID at some point, but all the evidence I've been able to find tells me that, even with Omicron, the vaccinated are less likely to develop a bad case.

And about the "other people getting vaccinated not stopping you from getting COVID" thing, well, I'll just leave this here:



Admittedly, it looks like COVID is more likely to end up going endemic than getting eradicated (though we haven't reached the endemic stage yet), but once as many people either get the disease or the vaccine as is possible, we might actually start getting back to normal.  And given the choice between the vaccine and getting the disease, I'd gladly pick the one that isn't going to stretch our health care resources to their limits.

Children are being forced to get vaccinated to remain on their little league teams, and flu is much more dangerous for them and deadly for them. Explain your reasoning behind supporting little kids being compelled to go through a medical procedure that their parents are not comfortable with them getting.

There have been vaccine mandates for schoolchildren for decades. Even before the world ended, my home state of Illinois mandated vaccination against A DOZEN illnesses before they could start kindergarten, and many of those diseases (most notably varicella/chicken pox) are more dangerous for older patients than kindergarten age. The only exceptions to this are if A: they were already immune, B: there was a legitimate medical problem that would make getting the vaccine worse (very rare), or C: a legitimate religious exemption (one that, in practice, only faith healing denominations have tended to get). And given that:

•  The virus is causing large amounts of death and devastation
  
• There's a vaccine readily available that can help curb that problem
  
• I (and, indeed, the scientists studying the disease) have yet to find an objection to the vaccine that actually holds up to scrutiny (and not for lack of trying)
  
• There is precedent for the government overriding the parents' wishes in cases where it was clear that the parents' wishes went against their children's best interest.
  

I have zero issue with compelling a child to get the shot if their parents refuse to allow them to get it.

[The Architect Of Fate]

IA barking irrational nonsense 

[Deesse23]

It's looking like it might just be time to celebrate. The emergence of Omicron has caused the narrative to collapse. Everything is going to be alright. I see the light at the end of this tunnel.

The death rate is just as high as at the peak of the first wave. Did you celebrate back then in spring 2020? The death rate is actually ca. 80% of what it was in last winter, and that was the all time high, when a "9/11" virtually happened every single day. Did you celebrate back then?

The last time an amercian proclaimed to see the end of the tunnel is was, in fact, the headlamp of the VC.

tl;dr
You.are.full.of.shit.

[The Architect Of Fate]

It's looking like it might just be time to celebrate. The emergence of Omicron has caused the narrative to collapse. Everything is going to be alright. I see the light at the end of this tunnel.

[Rev. Rye]

The emergence of Omicron has caused the narrative to collapse. Everything is going to be alright. I see the light at the end of this tunnel. No more doom and gloom. Let's celebrate. Let go of that narrative of yours that has collapsed into a million pieces.

Just remember, sometimes, the light at the end of the tunnel is less daylight and more... this.





And looking at the seven-day averages for COVID deaths in the US: 2582. And shit hasn't been that bad since mid-February, when the vaccine wasn't readily available.

So, yeah, it looks like the light at the end of the tunnel is looking more like the fiery furnace. And, somehow, I get the impression that if THE CLAAAAAW finally comes, you're going to spend all your time talking shit about it and doing everything in your admittedly limited power to undermine it.

And the evidence suggests that the vaccines are still working at increasing resistance to both omicron and BA:2 (though the evidence for the latter is in its early stages.)

So, it looks like the narrative is actually still very much intact.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

It's a good thing the internet didn't exist back when scientists were busy eradicating smallpox and polio.

Boru

[Irreligious Atheist]

It's looking like it might just be time to celebrate. The emergence of Omicron has caused the narrative to collapse. Everything is going to be alright. I see the light at the end of this tunnel.

The death rate is just as high as at the peak of the first wave. Did you celebrate back then in spring 2020? The death rate is actually ca. 80% of what it was in last winter, and that was the all time high, when a "9/11" virtually happened every single day. Did you celebrate back then?

The last time an amercian proclaimed to see the end of the tunnel is was, in fact, the headlamp of the VC.

tl;dr
You.are.full.of.shit.

Silly response. I'm not celebrating deaths, but obviously that's where you would go with this. I'm joining people like Dr. John Campbell in celebrating that if we're going to reach a decent level of herd immunity, BA.1 and BA.2 appear to be what are going to bring us to that point. Obviously if we get to a good level of herd immunity, it will certainly call for a celebration. You can be emotional and only focus on death counts, but I'm looking to the future, and things are looking way up. I'm extremely happy with how the covid situation is going right now, and I see reason to celebrate. Things are looking way up, and that's certainly cause for celebration imo. If you don't want to join in the celebration, more cake for me.

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The emergence of Omicron has caused the narrative to collapse. Everything is going to be alright. I see the light at the end of this tunnel. No more doom and gloom. Let's celebrate. Let go of that narrative of yours that has collapsed into a million pieces.

Just remember, sometimes, the light at the end of the tunnel is less daylight and more... this.





And looking at the seven-day averages for COVID deaths in the US: 2582. And shit hasn't been that bad since mid-February, when the vaccine wasn't readily available.

So, yeah, it looks like the light at the end of the tunnel is looking more like the fiery furnace. And, somehow,  I get the impression that if THE CLAAAAAW finally comes, you're going to spend all your time talking shit about it and doing everything in your admittedly limited power to undermine it.

And the evidence suggests that the vaccines are still working at increasing resistance to both omicron and BA:2 (though the evidence for the latter is in its early stages.)

So, it looks like the narrative is actually still very much intact.

The narrative has broken into a million pieces. BA.1 and BA.2 are far milder than the other strains, and it looks like there's a great chance we're now going to get a good level of herd immunity. This is all happening, while the mainstream media is fearmongering over covid more than ever, and the View is saying that masks are going to be with us for life, and we're never going to get rid of them. That narrative is dead and gone. We're past that kind of talk, or we should be at least.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-tr...t-omicron/

“The bottom line is that the vaccine is excellent against the Alpha and Delta [variants], for Omicron it’s not good enough,” she said.

Regev-Yochay added that it is still probably a good idea to give a fourth shot to those at higher risk, but intimated that perhaps the current campaign, which also offers the jab to the over-60s, should be amended to only include even older groups. 

[Rev. Rye]

1. They’re milder… if you got vaccinated.
   
2. How exactly is the narrative dead and gone when death tolls keep climbing, hospitals are being worked to their capacity, and the newer variants get easier to spread? It may be a bit early to claim victory while all these things are happening.
   
3. And while I haven’t watched that clip from The View you’re talking about, how is the narrative about masks dead and gone when they’ve still proven to be effective (albeit with more stringent standards)?
   
4. It’s a bit premature to make a call one way or another with the fourth dose of the vaccine, especially given that the link you’re talking about is talking about the first ever study, one with 150 participants (far lower than usual). 
   
5. While the vaccine doesn’t give total immunity against omicron, even the article you linked to points out that it increases resistance and number of antibodies, which, while imperfect, does give you enough resistance to allow you to think “oh, this isn’t much worse than the flu.”
   

[The Grand Nudger]

I just don't think it's appropriate to put a mandate on the covid vaccines right now when this is something with a better than 99 percent survival rate. If this was something that was a lot more dangerous, you'd have a much better case for mandates.

Cringe. No one said covid is not dangerous. 

Which of these two assholes should we be taking our medical advice from?

[arewethereyet]

I'd much rather be a little bit sick than a whole lot dead.

Pushing against vaccines while having gotten one makes IRA a hypocritical ass who thinks if he keeps talking the reality will change.