Covid 19 conspiracies dump

[arewethereyet]

Prohibition is an absolutely ignorant thing to compare vaccine mandates too. Grasping...grasping at straws, and missing completely.

He ran out of arguments a long time ago...now he's just waving his ignorant troll banner.

[Deesse23]

Claiming alcohol is like COVID is like claiming you get a liver cirrhosis from me drinking. 

[Irreligious Atheist]

Prohibition is an absolutely ignorant thing to compare vaccine mandates too.  Grasping...grasping at straws, and missing completely.

He ran out of arguments a long time ago...now he's just waving his ignorant troll banner.

Prohibition is actually a fantastic example, and a comparison does not mean that the two things have to be exactly the same. Your argument since the vaccine came out was that young people need to be forced to take it to protect the old, but now you're moving the goalposts when we find out everyone's going to get covid anyways and your original position and argument no longer applies, because it's collapsed into a million pieces with the emergence of Omicron. We don't force good health on people. That's not how our society works. People can drink all the booze they want. They can shove their face with donuts all day long until they die. They can choose not to get any exercise. They can choose to chain smoke cigarettes all day long until they die at the age of 50 from cancer. It's called personal responsibility, and the Supreme Court ruled that Biden's vaccine mandates are invalid. You don't get to save people that don't want to be saved. Maybe that's how things work in the superhero movies you watch and sport as your avatar, but that's not real life. Come back to real life, AWTY.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Prohibition is an absolutely ignorant thing to compare vaccine mandates too.  Grasping...grasping at straws, and missing completely.

He ran out of arguments a long time ago...now he's just waving his ignorant troll banner.

Prohibition is actually a fantastic example, and a comparison does not mean that the two things have to be exactly the same. Your argument since the vaccine came out was that young people need to be forced to take it to protect the old, but now you're moving the goalposts when we find out everyone's going to get covid anyways and your original position and argument no longer applies, because it's collapsed into a million pieces with the emergence of Omicron. We don't force good health on people. That's not how our society works. People can drink all the booze they want. They can shove their face with donuts all day long until they die. They can choose not to get any exercise. They can choose to chain smoke cigarettes all day long until they die at the age of 50 from cancer. It's called personal responsibility, and the Supreme Court ruled that Biden's vaccine mandates are invalid. You don't get to save people that don't want to be saved. Maybe that's how things work in the superhero movies you watch and sport as your avatar, but that's not real life. Come back to real life, AWTY.

Someone else eating doughnuts and not exercising doesn’t put me at any particular risk. Other people drinking and smoking DO pose a risk to me, which is why precisely why there are limits imposed on those behaviours. You can’t smoke in a restaurant or on an airplane. You can’t drink and drive.

Try harder.

Boru

[Irreligious Atheist]

Prohibition is actually a fantastic example, and a comparison does not mean that the two things have to be exactly the same. Your argument since the vaccine came out was that young people need to be forced to take it to protect the old, but now you're moving the goalposts when we find out everyone's going to get covid anyways and your original position and argument no longer applies, because it's collapsed into a million pieces with the emergence of Omicron. We don't force good health on people. That's not how our society works. People can drink all the booze they want. They can shove their face with donuts all day long until they die. They can choose not to get any exercise. They can choose to chain smoke cigarettes all day long until they die at the age of 50 from cancer. It's called personal responsibility, and the Supreme Court ruled that Biden's vaccine mandates are invalid. You don't get to save people that don't want to be saved. Maybe that's how things work in the superhero movies you watch and sport as your avatar, but that's not real life. Come back to real life, AWTY.

Someone else eating doughnuts and not exercising doesn’t put me at any particular risk. Other people drinking and smoking DO pose a risk to me, which is why precisely why there are limits imposed on those behaviours. You can’t smoke in a restaurant or on an airplane. You can’t drink and drive.

Try harder.

Boru

The point went right over your head, Boru. Everyone is getting covid, no matter how many people take the vaccine, therefore you are not going to be protected from covid by other people taking the vax, since we're all getting covid anyways, as Fauci says.

[Rev. Rye]

So, of course, it's the same 20 GOTO 10 of "Everyone's going to get COVID anyway" and "the vaccines are useless in creating herd immunity" and "Omicron is so much less bad that the narrative is crumbling." that he's been banging on for the past couple pages of this thread, just with more of an emphasis on libertarian ideals of personal liberty getting pushed long past the point where it's actually workable, a side order of quote mining Dr. Fauci, and a newfound obsession with Prohibition.

Even though banning something that A) a lot of people want, and B) is potentially extremely lucrative is practically begging for organised crime to step into the fray, something I legitimately cannot see happening with vaccine mandates.

Even though Dr. Fauci's point about how everyone's going to get COVID doesn't mean you should dismiss the vaccine like he has (and, indeed, he himself pointed out that the vaccinated still fare better than the unvaccinated.)

Even though many places (including the state I live in) actually do mandate some vaccines, even up to the point of requiring children to get vaccinated against diseases that aren't likely to kill them until they're adults (e.g. measles) before they can even enter kindergarten, and hardly anyone considers such vaccine mandates to be tyranny.

Even though there's zero comparison between the sort of effort required to get in shape and be less susceptible to heart disease or cancer and the sort of effort required to just get the damn vaccines so your apparently inevitable case of COVID is less likely to kill you (seriously, the hardest part of getting the booster for me was actually finding a place that would do a walk-in vaccination.)

Even though heart disease (the usual #1 cause of death in the US) killed roughly 1,904 people per day in America last year, and COVID has killed 3,622 Americans yesterday alone.

But, whatever,
10 PRINT Everybody's going to get COVID anyway, omicron means it's better to get it than to get the vaccine, the narrative is crumbling, and the fact that deaths from COVID are skyrocketing can only be a good thing, 20 GOTO 10
Am I right or am I right?

[HappySkeptic]

Getting COVID any time soon is not inevitable. In a few months we will have Omicron-ready boosters.

Yes, we have lost the long-term war against this virus, but by the time we "all get it" (probably multiple times), it may be a far less harmful strain. Plus, boosted immunity prevents serious illness. If you would prefer to get COVID every 6 months as an alternative, go ahead. The first couple of times might just kill you.

The more people who keep up their immunity, the less community spread there will be. If 1 in 100 people in my community have the disease on every give day, I'm likely going to be screwed if I have lots of interactions. If only 1 in 5000 have it, I'm much safer.

The "lets everyone get it so we can all get it again 6 months later" crowd is just stupid. The only way their argument would make sense is if 1) getting COVID was safe, and 2) getting the vaccine was dangerous. I actually think that some believe this.

[Irreligious Atheist]

Yes, Rev. Rye, you are right because those are the relevant points. Everyone is going to get covid and the narrative is crumbling. You don't think there's going to be a long term benefit in everyone getting covid, as in some level of herd immunity?

Look, I like you and you put in a lot more effort than others backing up your claims and I respect you for that, but all of these little points you're bringing up here are not relevant to this conversation. Everyone knows it's hard to lose weight and eat better or to quit smoking. In a free society, we let people make decisions about their own health, and that means they can go and huff paint, eat 3 large pizzas a day and go rock climbing during a hurricane. This is how free societies operate, and I wouldn't have it any other way. And the point you make about people being more protected against covid with the vaccine is not something I've ever disputed. I'm on board with this. I haven't suggested that adults not get the vaccine, so I don't see why this point keeps getting brought up. I've only suggested that they should get to decide what they do with their own life, whether that be taking a newly released vaxx or going rock climbing in a hurricane. I'm for personal choice and personal responsibility.

About the tyranny thing, you can think I'm going overboard with this type of rhetoric, but we see covid camps in Australia and 'taxing' people thousands of dollars for not taking a brand new vaccine. Hearing about covid camps and things like that may not raise an eyebrow for you, but it sure as hell does for me. Thankfully Quebec dropped their proposed unvaccinated tax "to keep the peace in society", and hopefully the truckers keep their protest up for a while still.

[tackattack]

lol.. you think we live in a free society? Maybe relatively, but certainly not completely free as you imply.

[Rev. Rye]

Yes, Rev. Rye, you are right because those are the relevant points. Everyone is going to get covid and the narrative is crumbling. You don't think there's going to be a long term benefit in everyone getting covid, as in some level of herd immunity?

I think the most long term benefit comes with people taking precautions before they get COVID so people don't die needlessly. And also not playing "SHOUTING IDIOT whispering sensible person" about the COVID vaccine like you've been doing would also be good. Don't know what "SHOUTING IDIOT whispering sensible person" is? Well, let this exploration of this technique guide you (and the elaboration on the term starts about 37 minutes in, though the rest of the video is leading up to it):



At least, to your credit, I've seen other forumites try this tactic and not even bother with the "whispering sensible person" part of the tactic.