Covid 19 conspiracies dump

[Irreligious Atheist]

The CDC did not say social distancing is suggested in schools in particular. And even if you think they are being influenced by the courts, the reality remains that tens of millions of children would go without an education and very little spread would be prevented if they went with what you are suggesting, which is just a chaotic shitstorm that will leave millions of children in the dust, and you have to consider that cost when pushing for a vax mandate that you admit won't even prevent spread. And I definitely don't blame you for questioning the CDCs motives. I will never trust them or the WHO again after what they pulled during the pandemic.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronaviru...-1.6023579

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says the nation should move away from restrictive measures such as quarantines and social distancing and focus on reducing severe disease from COVID-19.

In new guidelines released Thursday, the agency no longer recommends staying at least 6 feet away from other people to reduce the risk of exposure -- a shift from guidance that had been in place since the early days of the pandemic.

When did I admit that a vaccine mandate wouldn’t prevent the spread? I said it would prevent spread if a sufficient number of people took the vaccine.

Because you're giving a big hypothetical that's not realistic in the least bit. In your ideal situation, such and such amount of people would get vaccinated and that would have such and such impact on spread. Well, that's never going to happen and that much is beyond obvious. Millions of people are not going to get vaccinated, and if they haven't chosen to do so by now, it's probably not happening, and these people have tens of millions of children that they would never allow to be vaccinated. You're talking about your ideal world, and that's the problem. I'm dealing with the world we're actually living in, not my ideal.

[The Architect Of Fate]

More people vaccinated are better than fewer people vaccinated and Rye Rye is living in a  rational world you are living in one that merits irrationality and idiocy.

[The Grand Nudger]

Yes, it’s a reality that nuts absolutely made sure that there would not be enough vaccinated people to slow the spread, and it’s hilarious that they now refer to the effect of this, as well as their insane lawsuits, as the cdc “changing its tune”.

We’re not concerned about those poor un-vaxed black kids, we’re giving up on them, because magats joined a death cult.

[The Architect Of Fate]

Yes, it’s a reality that nuts absolutely made sure that there would not be enough vaccinated people to slow the spread, and it’s hilarious that  they now refer to the effect of this, as well as their insane lawsuits, as the cdc “changing its tune”.

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[The Architect Of Fate]

Yes, it’s a reality that nuts absolutely made sure that there would not be enough vaccinated people to slow the spread, and it’s hilarious that  they now refer to the effect of this, as well as their insane lawsuits, as the cdc “changing its tune”.

We’re not concerned about those poor un-vaxed black kids, we’re giving up on them, because magats joined a death cult.

Also, gotta love IA trying to compare us to Q supporters lol talk about projection 

Criticizing the CDC for giving into political pressure and anti-science nuttery , is not the same as being an anti-science nutter.

[Rev. Rye]

When did I admit that a vaccine mandate wouldn’t prevent the spread? I said it would prevent spread if a sufficient number of people took the vaccine.

Because you're giving a big hypothetical that's not realistic in the least bit. In your ideal situation, such and such amount of people would get vaccinated and that would have such and such impact on spread. Well, that's never going to happen and that much is beyond obvious. Millions of people are not going to get vaccinated, and if they haven't chosen to do so by now, it's probably not happening, and these people have tens of millions of children that they would never allow to be vaccinated. You're talking about your ideal world, and that's the problem. I'm dealing with the world we're actually living in, not my ideal.

Because presumably, you don't live in a world where people have managed to immunise enough of the population against any disease to make it not be a problem. Presumably, in your world, smallpox and polio are still a problem you have to deal with.

The level of immunization necessary can be done. Just ramp up enforcement. Get rid of as many loopholes as you possibly can. If you don't have a medical condition that makes vaccination not work, or maybe if you don't belong to a religious movement that was anti-vaccine prior to March 2020, don't allow the unvaccinated any excuses to not do so.

If that can't happen now, it's only because we've got a major party that's decided to default to being pro-disease now.

[Foxaèr]

An anti-vaxxer has a severe disease of the mind, and I doubt there's a cure.

[Fireball]

An anti-vaxxer has a severe disease of the mind, and I doubt there's a cure.

I wouldn't call it so much of a "disease" as a bad case of programming by their parents and peers. Doesn't change the results, though.

[The Grand Nudger]

If that can't happen now, it's only because we've got a major party that's decided to default to being pro-disease now.

Like so much in our government, basic health precautions were gameable because no one ever thought that anyone would game them.  Decorum, tradition, basic decency.  That sort of silly powerless nonsense. Only a complete loon that genuinely prays to lamp posts would forego a vaccine. We told ourselves. There just didn't seem to be any positive upside to getting the plague.

[Irreligious Atheist]

Because you're giving a big hypothetical that's not realistic in the least bit. In your ideal situation, such and such amount of people would get vaccinated and that would have such and such impact on spread. Well, that's never going to happen and that much is beyond obvious. Millions of people are not going to get vaccinated, and if they haven't chosen to do so by now, it's probably not happening, and these people have tens of millions of children that they would never allow to be vaccinated. You're talking about your ideal world, and that's the problem. I'm dealing with the world we're actually living in, not my ideal.

Because presumably, you don't live in a world where people have managed to immunise enough of the population against any disease to make it not be a problem. Presumably, in your world, smallpox and polio are still a problem you have to deal with.

The level of immunization necessary can be done. Just ramp up enforcement. Get rid of as many loopholes as you possibly can. If you don't have a medical condition that makes vaccination not work, or maybe if you don't belong to a religious movement that was anti-vaccine prior to March 2020, don't allow the unvaccinated any excuses to not do so.

If that can't happen now, it's only because we've got a major party that's decided to default to being pro-disease now.

Those vaccines for those other diseases are not comparable to the covid vaccines, and Dr. Deborah Birx said she knew from the start that the vaccines were not going to prevent spread, and that the vaccines were overplayed. Many scientists even admitted that omicron was a far better 'vaccination' than any they could come up with.

I'd rather not live under tyranny like in China where they force you into your home and let you starve to try to get to a zero covid policy. Getting to zero covid is simply not worth what it would cost. It would cause our republics to cease to exist as we know them, and make all the sacrifice our soldiers have made for our countries over the centuries all for naught. You can't force everyone to vaccinate their children and you simply can't take away those tens of millions of children for so called 'child abuse' because the system could never handle that load. So what is the only true solution? Ding ding. It's my solution, and the CDC has come to realize that there's just no way around that, and that anything else would simply destroy society, so unless you're willing to destroy your society just so spread can stop maybe a teeny tiny bit, then I really don't see why this is the hill you want to die on If ifs and buts were candy and nuts.

No one here, and I mean no one actually wants to live in a world where our policy is that we have to save as many lives as possible. Do we put cameras and recording devices in every house in America to catch wife beaters before they can murder their wives? Nope, because we as a society value privacy more than we value human life. Is every car required to be made with a breathalizer or fire extinguisher in it? Nope. We don't care enough about human life as a society to make this law. Would we as a society, take a passed out man at a hospital (who is going to come out of it and be fine), and take all of his organs while he is passed out, because his sacrifice can help several people live rather than just him living? Nope. No one would want to live in a society that simply values the higher quantity of human lives without taking into consideration our rights and freedoms, right? Why don't you support cementing in and banning the production of any new swimming pools? Do you not care about saving human lives? I could do this all day. I think you get the point I'm making. It's like the trolley experiment. If I am forcing a vaccine mandate onto someone else, then I am basically compelling them to have a medical procedure done with their body without their consent, and I am not comfortable in the least with this. If someone, say a serial killer or a Saw type movie character tells me I have to bash in 3 people's heads to in turn save 5 people, although 5 is better than 3, could I actually do that? If I had a real choice and it wasn't a gun to my head situation, I don't think I could do it.