Fuck my country!

[Dotard]

So you're prod of being a free loader?

Sure why not? 'Cause in the end, even after you snub your nose at me, I got mine for free, you gave up all your money. That's the end result.

If you can afford it but chose to be a cheap skate then the state takes it directly out of your wages or seizes your assets.

Ok, sure, whatever. Do what you wish Mr. State. I can't do a damn thing to stop ya. Decide what I can afford and deduct it from my measley salary. Oh wait... it's not that way at all. Right now all they can do is send me bills. I'll take the freeloader option until they sign your suggestion into law.

But you don't like being responsible for yourself right? Just make everyone else pick up the slack.

Ya know, way back when I used to pay all that money for insurance I went to the hospital. When I got out I got a copy of the bill in the mail. It showed all the charges and in a column right next to it showed "Insurance negotiated settlement" and it was at a greatly reduced rate. 50% or more.

Basicly it was the insurance company telling the hospital, "Fuck that we ain't paying you fukers that amount. We'll give you XX dollars for that."

When I didn't have insurance I attempted a simular negotiation on the charges. They wouldn't hear of it. It was the amount they said and that was that. I brought up the example of the negoitated bills for insurance companies and I was informed that was "different".

Ya know, fuck them. Fuck all of them. Charge me more than you charge them because why? I'm not some multi billionaire or industry? Fuck you Mr. Hospital. Fuck you Mr. 'Consulting Doctor'. Fuck you too Mr. Ambulance. If you don't want to negotiate with me in the same manner and spirit you do with them, fuck you, you ain't getting a red cent.

And I vowed never to have insurance again nor ever pay highway robbers.

So yeah, go to your grave feeling 'prouder' than you would believe I'll feel going to mine.

[theVOID]

Sure why not? 'Cause in the end, even after you snub your nose at me, I got mine for free, you gave up all your money. That's the end result.

That's about as fucking low as you can get, leeching off other people when you have the means to care for yourself. You're one of those fuckers who contributes absolutely nothing to society aren't you? No wonder we're all so fucking far in debt, people like you won't pull your weight and everyone else is too damn kind to do anything about it so you get it all free.

If you can afford it but chose to be a cheap skate then the state takes it directly out of your wages or seizes your assets.

Ok, sure, whatever. Do what you wish Mr. State. I can't do a damn thing to stop ya. Decide what I can afford and deduct it from my measley salary. Oh wait... it's not that way at all. Right now all they can do is send me bills. I'll take the freeloader option until they sign your suggestion into law.

Mr State? I want to cut the majority of it out.

You'd have more wages in my system in the first place because you aren't taxed for shit you don't want or need, you take care of the things that are important to you all by yourself, you are a grown up aren't you?

It's going to be a fucking shock to your system when the debt crisis hits, your government is borrowing 6 billion a day to cover welfare leeches like yourself, but once they become broke and have to go through austerity to get the budget balanced you're going to see all your cushy hand outs evaporate.

Ya know, way back when I used to pay all that money for insurance I went to the hospital. When I got out I got a copy of the bill in the mail. It showed all the charges and in a column right next to it showed "Insurance negotiated settlement" and it was at a greatly reduced rate. 50% or more.

Basicly it was the insurance company telling the hospital, "Fuck that we ain't paying you fukers that amount. We'll give you XX dollars for that."

Great, if they can save you even more money then what the fuck is the problem? Another reason to buy insurance rather than settle the bills with your own finance.

When I didn't have insurance I attempted a simular negotiation on the charges. They wouldn't hear of it. It was the amount they said and that was that. I brought up the example of the negoitated bills for insurance companies and I was informed that was "different".

So you never should have ditched your insurance.

Ya know, fuck them. Fuck all of them. Charge me more than you charge them because why? I'm not some multi billionaire or industry? Fuck you Mr. Hospital. Fuck you Mr. 'Consulting Doctor'. Fuck you too Mr. Ambulance. If you don't want to negotiate with me in the same manner and spirit you do with them, fuck you, you ain't getting a red cent.

And now you're the asshole, not paying a cent for the services you receive, all the time and effort that other people put into taking care of you is completely neglected.

And I vowed never to have insurance again nor ever pay highway robbers.

Yeah fuck those assholes who use their purchasing power to get us a better deal! Is collective buying really such a shock to you? Same reason you get groceries cheaper than if you bought them directly from farmers, but you don't say "Fuck those farmers for not giving me the same prices as a billion dollar grocery buyer".

So yeah, go to your grave feeling 'prouder' than you would believe I'll feel going to mine.

Yeah taking responsibility for myself does make me proud, especially when I look at the impact the welfare leeches are having on national finance, how many people will soon be completely fucked because of it. Knowing I'm not contributing to a debt crisis which is going to make the lives of the poor and needy FAR worse makes me feel pretty damn good.

[ozgoat]

Just curious, does New Zealand have a mandatory vote like Australia?

Seems like pissing off 21% of the adults in any country is a quick way to not get elected next cycle.

Australia doesn't have a mandatory vote. It's a misnomer.

What is mandatory is firstly, registering on the electoral roll.

What else is mandatory is attending a polling booth and getting your name crossed off the roll as attending.

When you're given a ballot paper, what you do with it is up to you. There is no obligation to vote.

Just thought I'd clear that up. Many people think that voting in Oz is compulsory. It's splitting hairs, perhaps, but you don't actually have to vote, just attend the polling booth and get your name crossed off.

[ib.me.ub]

Yeah, but the problem is, smokers don't pay for their own hospital.

Untrue. The US does not have universal health care,it's very much user pays. Australia does have universal health care,it's funded by a 2.5% tax levy on gross earnings.(above all other taxes)

See, they spend their whole life broke, buying smokes and dope, become extremely unhealthy, then end up in state paid hospitals.

WHAT? We're talking about TOBACCO smoking.That does not lead to other drugs. I smoked for over 30 years. I did not and do not smoke dope or take any drugs unless prescribed by my doctor. I have not been broke since I was 18 ,(1966) making shit money,and self supporting in a strange city. So far I've never spent a day in hospital due to a smoking caused illness. I also have private health insurance.

I'm a self funded retiree.As a senior, I get $100 a year off my land tax of $1200,and my dog registration is half price.That's it.

The issue is about the idiocy of trying to ban an addiction. I suspect your apparent inability to grasp the problem may be due to not having a clue about the nature of addiction.

Perhaps try to avoid making ignorant and rather stupid generalisations in future. You might then come across as less of a complete horse's arse. Or not.

DISCLAIMER. Note I say "come across as" (seem). I've never met you. For all I know you may be a thoroughly nice chap,much loved by family, friends,children and small domestic animals.

You must be an exception to the rule Padriac.

[tackattack]

I also smoke tobacco and don't do any other drugs, have been on my own dime since 18, have never been hospitalized for smoking related reasons, have private insurance and live paycheck to paycheck supporting my wife and 2 kids (she works too) but not being broke. I don't think pad is the exception, perhaps ....I 'll let you fill in the blanks

[ib.me.ub]

ok, ok, you are an exception also tackattack.

[tackattack]

... yay I feel included... do I get a members card?

[Dotard]

You're one of those fuckers who contributes absolutely nothing to society aren't you?

No sir. I work and pay taxes when an opportunity to aviod them is not present.

Mr State? I want to cut the majority of it out.

If the laws were in place and I was informed they would be keeping XX % of my wages, that is the response I'd give. I wasn't refering to you as Mr. State, it was a hypothetical convo with the government.

You'd have more wages in my system in the first place because you aren't taxed for shit you don't want or need, you take care of the things that are important to you all by yourself, you are a grown up aren't you?

Really? I can opt out and not be taxed for state parks, public schools or the roads on the west side of town? I don't want them or don't need them. And, kind sir, I do take care of the things that are important to me all by my self. Medical bills ain't one of 'em.

It's going to be a fucking shock to your system when the debt crisis hits, your government is borrowing 6 billion a day to cover welfare leeches like yourself, but once they become broke and have to go through austerity to get the budget balanced you're going to see all your cushy hand outs evaporate.

I'm sure I'll be dead by then. Not important to me. So... will one of my 'cushy handouts evaporation' be allowing me to die if I can't pay?

Great, if they can save you even more money then what the fuck is the problem? Another reason to buy insurance rather than settle the bills with your own finance.

They ain't saving ME money. They are negotiating to save THEM money. If I chose to pay privately I want equal pricing. Demand I pay more for that ambulance ride or that asprin pill then you charge others? Fuck You Mr. Hospital.

So you never should have ditched your insurance.

Keeping insurance or not wasn't the point. AND what makes you think, at that time I 'ditched' my insurance? I found myself uninsured at the time.

And now you're the asshole, not paying a cent for the services you receive, all the time and effort that other people put into taking care of you is completely neglected.

They are not neglected. They still get their paychecks.

Yeah fuck those assholes who use their purchasing power to get us a better deal!

Us? They use their power to get THEM a better deal.

Yeah taking responsibility for myself does make me proud, especially when I look at the impact the welfare leeches are having on national finance, how many people will soon be completely fucked because of it. Knowing I'm not contributing to a debt crisis which is going to make the lives of the poor and needy FAR worse makes me feel pretty damn good.

Well good for you!

[chatpilot]

agreed CP, btw it's good to see you around again.

Thanks tackattack I have just been busy with school and homework etc. But I am always glad to make it here when I can and provide my two cents from time to time.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

ok, ok, you are an exception also tackattack.

We are probably closer to the median (look it up) than exceptions.

I see you ignored my suggestion about generalisations.

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theVOID Wrote: So you're proud of being a free loader?

What an interesting bourgeois ad hominem.