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Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
#31
RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
(October 22, 2021 at 11:30 pm)Fireball Wrote:
(October 22, 2021 at 10:37 pm)Jehanne Wrote: I have heard it said that Plato argued passionately that the planets must go around the Earth in perfect circles due to the perfection of God.

Plato was a quite uninformed individual. I wonder what he would think now, matriculating through the US educational system? Smart, but with lack of basic facts is a handicap.

Smart?   You must be mistaken.
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#32
RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
(October 23, 2021 at 2:22 am)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(October 22, 2021 at 11:30 pm)Fireball Wrote: Plato was a quite uninformed individual. I wonder what he would think now, matriculating through the US educational system? Smart, but with lack of basic facts is a handicap.

Smart?   You must be mistaken.

You saying Plato wasn't smart?

I was set Crito and The Republic to read in philosophy101 at university.   I found him very lucid. That he was ignorant in other things doesn't  change that imo. 

We may need to agree to differ.
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#33
RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
i meant plato would not be smart if he had matriculated through the US education system.
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#34
RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
(October 23, 2021 at 12:15 am)Jehanne Wrote:
(October 22, 2021 at 11:30 pm)Fireball Wrote: Plato was a quite uninformed individual. I wonder what he would think now, matriculating through the US educational system? Smart, but with lack of basic facts is a handicap.

Question is, "Would he be supportive of CRT?"

Cathodic ray tubes? They are a pretty good bit of technology. The performance of the phosphor was much superior to the LCD type screens. The laptops of the time had LCD and their turn on and turn off time was quite slow. So, if you move your mouse, there was a trace of the mouse on an LCD screen.
LCDs had other problems as well, like light leakage, viewing angle was limited, limited color gamut.

Eventually, they improved LCD to the point they became acceptable and started to be used for desktops and TVs.
Plasma TVs was a nice one as well.

A fun thing to do is see the effect of a magnet on the electron beam.

(October 22, 2021 at 10:37 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(October 22, 2021 at 6:25 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
Because he chose the process of trial and error in which he just creates animals to destroy them over and over again for billions of years, just so he can create humans after wiping out 99.99% of all animals that ever lived.

I know, a very stupid and inefficient process for a supposedly intelligent creator, but also keep in mind that he is perfect.

I have heard it said that Plato argued passionately that the planets must go around the Earth in perfect circles due to the perfection of God.

I don't know if Plato said that. I mostly know about his 2 documents about Atlantis.

I do know that the philosophy of the greeks was preserved by europeans and so, Earth-centrism was presented by the catholic church as absolute truth and that the Moon and other planets, the Sun were all perfect spheres.

When Galileo invented his telescope and saw some details of the Moon, the craters, it was difficult for the catholic church to accept this.
I think he also believed that the Earth revolved around the Sun for some reason.
Eventually, it was discovered that Saturn and Jupiter have moons orbiting them. This was at a time when the believed that everything orbits the Earth.
I think Nicolaus Copernicus was next on the shit list of the Catholic church for also declaring heliocentrism.
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#35
RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
(October 23, 2021 at 11:57 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote:
(October 23, 2021 at 12:15 am)Jehanne Wrote: Question is, "Would he be supportive of CRT?"

Cathodic ray tubes? They are a pretty good bit of technology. The performance of the phosphor was much superior to the LCD type screens. The laptops of the time had LCD and their turn on and turn off time was quite slow. So, if you move your mouse, there was a trace of the mouse on an LCD screen.
LCDs had other problems as well, like light leakage, viewing angle was limited, limited color gamut.

Eventually, they improved LCD to the point they became acceptable and started to be used for desktops and TVs.
Plasma TVs was a nice one as well.

A fun thing to do is see the effect of a magnet on the electron beam.

Ha!  Critical Race Theory.
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#36
RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
(October 23, 2021 at 12:06 pm)Jehanne Wrote:
(October 23, 2021 at 11:57 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Cathodic ray tubes? They are a pretty good bit of technology. The performance of the phosphor was much superior to the LCD type screens. The laptops of the time had LCD and their turn on and turn off time was quite slow. So, if you move your mouse, there was a trace of the mouse on an LCD screen.
LCDs had other problems as well, like light leakage, viewing angle was limited, limited color gamut.

Eventually, they improved LCD to the point they became acceptable and started to be used for desktops and TVs.
Plasma TVs was a nice one as well.

A fun thing to do is see the effect of a magnet on the electron beam.

Ha!  Critical Race Theory.

That thing again?
I read about it once. Then I forgot what it was about. I guess I did not find it interesting otherwise I would remember what it was.
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#37
RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
(October 23, 2021 at 4:18 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: i meant plato would not be smart if he had matriculated through the US education system.

Do you think it's possible you are mistaking ignorance for a lack of intelligent?

Aristotle was also ignorant of a lot of things, but still a genius imo.  Same for Plato, a great philosopher, but not a wonderful natural scientist . Possibly because they each lived in a pre scientific age. 

No amount of education in itself can make a person smart. A person can learn to  use the intelligence they have perhaps more effectively and end up a bit less ignorant. Ironically, it tends to be the intelligent and educated person who grasp the depth of his/her ignorance. The truly ignorant often revel in their ignorance.  EG creationists and people  like that Tucker Carson dropkick.

I've met lawyers and doctors who aren't all that bright. I've learned over the years that one doesn't need more than an average intelligence to earn most undergraduate degrees.  One needs motivation, focus and determination. Of course a significant number seem to simply cheat.
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#38
RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
I think intelligence is a combination of knowledge, associative breadth, and a habit of thought that does not inwardly prefer the easiest or most emotionally self-serving of apparent answers.    Plato likely had much of what his time and culture can offer of the first, as well second and third in relative abundance.  

A typical product of the current American education system and culture in which it exists, IMO, largely disdain much of what our culture and time can offer of the first,  deride the second as geeky, and discourage the third as uncool and not trendy, if not downright stupid fir not taking the easy path. 

A product of this culture could still be very cunning and able to get ahead in competition with his peers, but it seems such cunning would probably go that far in making up for much if he were to attempt to establish any wisdom that would last beyond tenure of his culture.
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#39
RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
(October 23, 2021 at 7:35 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: A typical product of the current American education system and culture in which it exists, IMO, largely disdain much of what our culture and time can offer of the first,  deride the second as geeky, and discourage the third as uncool and not trendy, if not downright stupid fir not taking the easy path. 


It's not just the USA.
From my experience as a canadian, I can say that the goal of education is viewed as something that should get you a diploma, so that you can get a good job + a big paycheck.

For example, one of my hobbies is chemistry. I have been asked a bunch of times, why I do it, “Can you sell it?”, “How much did it cost you?”, “Why did you make chemical X?”.
No, in amateur chemistry, we don’t make some chemical because we need the chemical. Sometimes, the goal is not to make some “product”.
Some people regard it as a waste of time.

Perhaps people from Plato’s time period regarded the greek philosophers as time wasters.

What do such people do with their free time? Why would you not do something that makes you think or learn?

Is it because of capitalism? Do such people regard such activities as work and therefore, you must get payed and if you do not get payed, then you must sit on your ass and do nothing?
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#40
RE: Why did God get rid of the Trilobites?
(October 23, 2021 at 8:17 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote:
(October 23, 2021 at 7:35 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: A typical product of the current American education system and culture in which it exists, IMO, largely disdain much of what our culture and time can offer of the first,  deride the second as geeky, and discourage the third as uncool and not trendy, if not downright stupid fir not taking the easy path. 


It's not just the USA.
From my experience as a canadian, I can say that the goal of education is viewed as something that should get you a diploma, so that you can get a good job + a big paycheck.

Do you believe that higher education should be tuition-free, eh?
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