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evolution
#31
RE: evolution
(March 10, 2022 at 9:00 am)brewer Wrote: Is this enough to make evol go away?

This thread is proof that fundamentalist Christians experience cognitive dissonance.
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#32
RE: evolution
Their beliefs create their facts, and that's bass ackwards.
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#33
RE: evolution
Also ass-backwards.
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#34
RE: evolution
(March 10, 2022 at 7:06 am)Jehanne Wrote:
(March 10, 2022 at 4:28 am)The L Wrote: Consciousness doesn't need a purpose. It's a by-product of other things with a purpose. As is often the case in evolution.

Consciousness also aides with survival and the passing of one's genes, except when it comes to nuclear weapons and catastrophic climate change.

I don't think it does. We could act as if we were conscious without being conscious. Consciousness itself doesn't seem to add anything useful.

Hence why I think it's a by-product.

I'm talking about human consciousness.

Consciousness itself, of any form, runs a lot deeper. Alongside evolution rather than subsequent to it, IMO.
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#35
RE: evolution
(March 12, 2022 at 5:01 pm)The L Wrote:
(March 10, 2022 at 7:06 am)Jehanne Wrote: Consciousness also aides with survival and the passing of one's genes, except when it comes to nuclear weapons and catastrophic climate change.

I don't think it does. We could act as if we were conscious without being conscious. Consciousness itself doesn't seem to add anything useful.

Hence why I think it's a by-product.

I'm talking about human consciousness.

Consciousness itself, of any form, runs a lot deeper. Alongside evolution rather than subsequent to it, IMO.

Are you saying that the invention/discovery of fire was an unconscious act? And, after Homo erectus discovered fire 2 Mya, what did such do for evolution of bigger Homo brains?
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#36
RE: evolution
(March 12, 2022 at 5:01 pm)The L Wrote:
(March 10, 2022 at 7:06 am)Jehanne Wrote: Consciousness also aides with survival and the passing of one's genes, except when it comes to nuclear weapons and catastrophic climate change.

I don't think it does. We could act as if we were conscious without being conscious. Consciousness itself doesn't seem to add anything useful.

It's unclear whether we could "act conscious" without being conscious, semantically and functionally.  

Do you think an attention model could be useful just as a body model is useful?
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#37
RE: evolution
From an evolutionary standpoint, being conscious increases your odds of survival compared to being unconscious.
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#38
RE: evolution
(March 14, 2022 at 2:59 am)Rahn127 Wrote: From an evolutionary standpoint, being conscious increases your odds of survival compared to being unconscious.

Also useful while at work, especially, in the construction and transportation sectors.
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#39
RE: evolution
(March 14, 2022 at 2:59 am)Rahn127 Wrote: From an evolutionary standpoint, being conscious increases your odds of survival compared to being unconscious.

That's a hypothesis, not a fact.
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#40
RE: evolution
Might be in the same territory there as the difference between facts of evolution and the theory of evolution. It's an observed fact that self awareness is advantageous. You can see this in life and you can see it in machines. You can test the conjecture. We can build identical machines except for the presence, in one, of self monitoring inputs. We can render a human being unconscious or impaired and drop them in the jungle (or just watch them do it to themselves in the proverbial concrete jungle).

The hypothesis, here, is that this observable fact itself accounts for the existence and persistence of self awareness in living organisms up to and including in human beings.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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