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[Serious] Fallacies & Strategies
#11
RE: Fallacies & Strategies
My vote for the most used logical fallacy among AF members is category error, placing the God of Classical theism (i.e. Being Itself) in the same category as a particular being among other beings. For example comparing the All with the tooth fairy.
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#12
RE: Fallacies & Strategies
(May 29, 2022 at 7:54 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: My vote for the most used logical fallacy among AF members is category error, placing the God of Classical theism (i.e. Being Itself) in the same category as a particular being among other beings. For example comparing the All with the tooth fairy.

That's not a fallcy but just you being butthurt.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
#13
RE: Fallacies & Strategies
(May 29, 2022 at 7:54 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: My vote for the most used logical fallacy among AF members is category error, placing the God of Classical theism (i.e. Being Itself) in the same category as a particular being among other beings. For example comparing the All with the tooth fairy.

I don't think it's a fallacy when most theists do exactly the same thing and those that don't assign 'being itself' attributes like consciousness that it cannot possibly have.
#14
RE: Fallacies & Strategies
‘“Category error” means nothing more than “I want my bullshit to be put in a unique, made up category exempted from your kind of scrutiny and you are ruining it for me, waaaaaaaaa”.
#15
RE: Fallacies & Strategies
It’s a real thing- but, ofc…it has no bearing on whether a person believes or wishes that their pet x was in some other category.

The god of classical theism…for example…belongs to the set of characters in fairy tales. The faithful insist that this creature exists…but even if it did, it would still be in the set of fairy tale creatures.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
#16
RE: Fallacies & Strategies
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#17
RE: Fallacies & Strategies
(May 29, 2022 at 7:54 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: My vote for the most used logical fallacy among AF members is category error, placing the God of Classical theism (i.e. Being Itself) in the same category as a particular being among other beings. For example comparing the All with the tooth fairy.

So you've pointed out a particular category error, and people here respond by repeating exactly that category error.
#18
RE: Fallacies & Strategies
(May 31, 2022 at 2:03 am)Belacqua Wrote:
(May 29, 2022 at 7:54 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: My vote for the most used logical fallacy among AF members is category error, placing the God of Classical theism (i.e. Being Itself) in the same category as a particular being among other beings. For example, comparing the All with the tooth fairy.

So you've pointed out a particular category error, and people here respond by repeating exactly that category error.

He didn't point out any error and people have explained it to him, but yeah, you are trying to ignore it with some sort of pompousness and passive-aggression.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
#19
RE: Fallacies & Strategies
(May 29, 2022 at 7:54 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: My vote for the most used logical fallacy among AF members is category error, placing the God of Classical theism (i.e. Being Itself) in the same category as a particular being among other beings. For example comparing the All with the tooth fairy.

I've been trying to explain this fallacy ever since I joined this forum, but to no avail. It's laughable that some members here don't even recognize it as a fallacy. Maybe some links to "serious" references should reassure them? Since they seem so distrustful of anything a theist might say

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/category-mistakes/

Even the anti-religious website RationalWiki has a "category mistake" entry
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Category_mistake

According to rationalwiki (not a christian or wahabi website, mind you), a category mistake happens when one confuses the properties of the whole with the properties of the parts, and therefore be guilty of committing two fallacies: the fallacy of composition AND the fallacy of division. 

With this in mind it's easy to see why some atheists here don't recognize this mistake: it's so full of fallacies that it confuses them. An impressive heap of crap intended to flood good theistic arguments .
#20
RE: Fallacies & Strategies
I think it's more the case that a theist believes that gods are real, generally only theirs, and that fairy tale creatures are not. Nothing to do with any category error. Nothing to do with any fallacy of composition or division.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!



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