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World Wars
#11
RE: World Wars
(June 3, 2022 at 7:35 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I’ve long felt that we should alter the numbering of world wars (shooting wars, at least). The Seven Years War was, by any metric, a truly global conflict. It lasted almost seven years, took place on four continents, involved more than twenty belligerents, and resulted in more than one million casualties.

Shouldn’t this qualify as ‘The First World War’?

Boru
I also think the Napoleonic Wars should also count as a world war
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#12
RE: World Wars
(June 3, 2022 at 3:47 pm)brewer Wrote:
(June 3, 2022 at 8:58 am)polymath257 Wrote: The Mongol years didn't manage to involve the Americas or Africa.

It was their world at the time. Anyplace else and they would have fallen off the edge.

looking at just the world known directly or indirectly to pre-colombian old world civilizations, Mongol invasion was just the last great pulse of steppe nomad migration that had been hitting all the civilizations all around the margins of the Euroasia continent since before the end of the bronze age.

So if we expand the scope and time frame of what we might considered to be wars in include these migrations,  then I would suggest the entire migration era might be considered one single extended 2500 year long world war that affected all the civilization and cultures on entire euroasia  continent from china in the east to spain in the west, with knock on effects extending well into northern Africa. 

If we break it down to considered individual pulses of migration during that long era of steppe migrations,  then I might propose the period of 50 years at the end of the bronze age to be the first world war.    During this period sea borne raiders called “sea people” hit all of the major bronze age cultural centers in europe, western asia and africa, and brought down all the major civilizations around the mediterranean except the egypt.

some scholars also considered the period between 1st century BC and 5th century AD to be a single pulse of interrelated step migration where nomads migrating out of central asia applied critical pressure on both ends of euroasia that led to the collapse of Han Chinese empire in the east and western Roman empire in the west.  That might also be seen as a world wide slow motion brawl thar might be described as a world war.
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#13
RE: World Wars
(June 3, 2022 at 4:17 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(June 3, 2022 at 3:47 pm)brewer Wrote: It was their world at the time. Anyplace else and they would have fallen off the edge.

looking at just the world known directly or indirectly to pre-colombian old world civilizations, Mongol invasion was just the last great pulse of steppe nomad migration that had been hitting all the civilizations all around the margins of the Euroasia continent since before the end of the bronze age.

So if we expand the scope and time frame of what we might considered to be wars in include these migrations,  then I would suggest the entire migration era might be considered one single extended 2500 year long world war that affected all the civilization and cultures on entire euroasia  continent from china in the east to spain in the west, with knock on effects extending well into northern Africa. 

If we break it down to considered individual pulses of migration during that long era of steppe migrations,  then I might propose the period of 50 years at the end of the bronze age to be the first world war.    During this period sea borne raiders called “sea people” hit all of the major bronze age cultural centers in europe, western asia and africa, and brought down all the major civilizations around the mediterranean except the egypt.

some scholars also considered the period between 1st century BC and 5th century AD to be a single pulse of interrelated step migration where nomads migrating out of central asia applied critical pressure on both ends of euroasia that led to the collapse of Han Chinese empire in the east and western Roman empire in the west.  That might also be seen as a world wide slow motion brawl thar might be described as a world war.

The sea peeps were insane. There was an edge, they were committing godly suicide or delivering a long awaited snack. Monsters can only eat so much sea food.

(are you humor disabled? I really don't care what is considered a world war))
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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RE: World Wars
(June 3, 2022 at 5:38 pm)brewer Wrote:
(June 3, 2022 at 4:17 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: looking at just the world known directly or indirectly to pre-colombian old world civilizations, Mongol invasion was just the last great pulse of steppe nomad migration that had been hitting all the civilizations all around the margins of the Euroasia continent since before the end of the bronze age.

So if we expand the scope and time frame of what we might considered to be wars in include these migrations,  then I would suggest the entire migration era might be considered one single extended 2500 year long world war that affected all the civilization and cultures on entire euroasia  continent from china in the east to spain in the west, with knock on effects extending well into northern Africa. 

If we break it down to considered individual pulses of migration during that long era of steppe migrations,  then I might propose the period of 50 years at the end of the bronze age to be the first world war.    During this period sea borne raiders called “sea people” hit all of the major bronze age cultural centers in europe, western asia and africa, and brought down all the major civilizations around the mediterranean except the egypt.

some scholars also considered the period between 1st century BC and 5th century AD to be a single pulse of interrelated step migration where nomads migrating out of central asia applied critical pressure on both ends of euroasia that led to the collapse of Han Chinese empire in the east and western Roman empire in the west.  That might also be seen as a world wide slow motion brawl thar might be described as a world war.

The sea peeps were insane. There was an edge, they were committing godly suicide or delivering a long awaited snack. Monsters can only eat so much sea food.

(are you humor disabled? I really don't care what is considered a world war))

humor?   tried it once.  didn’t like it.
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#15
RE: World Wars
Obviously.
  
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#16
RE: World Wars
(June 3, 2022 at 6:13 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(June 3, 2022 at 5:38 pm)brewer Wrote: The sea peeps were insane. There was an edge, they were committing godly suicide or delivering a long awaited snack. Monsters can only eat so much sea food.

(are you humor disabled? I really don't care what is considered a world war))

humor?   tried it once.  didn’t like it.

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#17
RE: World Wars
(June 3, 2022 at 7:35 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I’ve long felt that we should alter the numbering of world wars (shooting wars, at least). The Seven Years War was, by any metric, a truly global conflict. It lasted almost seven years, took place on four continents, involved more than twenty belligerents, and resulted in more than one million casualties.

Shouldn’t this qualify as ‘The First World War’?

Boru

Such did not involve the conquest and occupation of whole nations nor the destruction of civilian populations on large scales, nor the use of destructive weapons.
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#18
RE: World Wars
(June 3, 2022 at 7:56 pm)brewer Wrote:
(June 3, 2022 at 6:13 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: humor?   tried it once.  didn’t like it.

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That's me with the halo. Notice that I'm paddling backwards.
Who are the other two guys?
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Nemo sicut deus debet esse!

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 “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM


      
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RE: World Wars
(June 3, 2022 at 9:23 pm)Helios Wrote:
(June 3, 2022 at 7:56 pm)brewer Wrote: [Image: dragons1.jpg]

That's me with the halo. Notice that I'm paddling backwards.
Who are the other two guys?

A couple of heretics I'm attempting to rescue. I can't get into more personal details.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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