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Kant's imperative is good
Jehanne Away
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RE: Kant's imperative is good
July 22, 2022 at 12:25 pm
(July 22, 2022 at 6:02 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(June 11, 2022 at 8:49 am)Jehanne Wrote: Reading Kant gave me a headache.  My understanding is that he wrote in opposition to David Hume?

I also have a lot of issues with Kant’s moral imperative. Must be my utilitarian upbringing.

The most well known objection is the ‘lying to a murderer’ scenario: Joe comes to you and says, ‘I’m going to murder Jim. Tell me where he is.’ In order to obey Kantian hypothetical moral imperatives (because they require truth-telling to be a universal obligation), you’d have to give up this information. As a utilitarian (greatest good for the greatest number), you have a moral obligation to lie to Joe to save Jim’s life and to keep Joe from going to prison for murder.

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For those who are truly bored, there is a Hitchcock movie, "I confess", where a priest, a hero of the movie (typical of Hollywood due to the control of the Church over movie going Catholics), has to respect the Seal of Confession of a murderer, who is also targeting the priest.
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RE: Kant's imperative is good
July 22, 2022 at 12:48 pm (This post was last modified: July 22, 2022 at 12:49 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 22, 2022 at 6:02 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: The most well known objection is the ‘lying to a murderer’ scenario: Joe comes to you and says, ‘I’m going to murder Jim. Tell me where he is.’ In order to obey Kantian hypothetical moral imperatives (because they require truth-telling to be a universal obligation), you’d have to give up this information. As a utilitarian (greatest good for the greatest number), you have a moral obligation to lie to Joe to save Jim’s life and to keep Joe from going to prison for murder.

Boru

I'm a brick-est.  You hit the guy over the head with a brick, then call Jim up to have a beer and laugh at the silly fuck. Plus, extra hands on shovels, right?
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RE: Kant's imperative is good
July 22, 2022 at 2:54 pm
Art and morals are one. Their essence is the same. The essence of both of them is love. Love is the perception of individuals. Love is the extremely difficult realisation that something other than oneself is real. Love, and so art and morals, is the discovery of reality. What stuns us into a realisation of our supersensible destiny is not, as Kant imagined, the formlessness of nature, but rather its unutterable particularity; and most particular and individual of all natural things is the mind of man.

-Iris Murdoch
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RE: Kant's imperative is good
July 22, 2022 at 3:11 pm
(July 22, 2022 at 2:54 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Art and morals are one. Their essence is the same. The essence of both of them is love. Love is the perception of individuals. Love is the extremely difficult realisation that something other than oneself is real. Love, and so art and morals, is the discovery of reality. What stuns us into a realisation of our supersensible destiny is not, as Kant imagined, the formlessness of nature, but rather its unutterable particularity; and most particular and individual of all natural things is the mind of man.

-Iris Murdoch

Well, that’s just plain dumb and stupid.

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