Energy As The Essence of Sentience

[Authari]

I think it takes balls to declare “energy as the essence of sentience” when one has clear idea about neither what energy, nor what essence, nor what sentience really means.

Oh absolutely not I've only been contemplating the relationship between energy and the brain for over 10 years.

[Angrboda]

I think it takes balls to declare “energy as the essence of sentience” when one has clear idea about neither what energy, nor what essence, nor what sentience really means.

Oh absolutely not I've only been contemplating the relationship between energy and the brain for over 10 years.

That's a long time, no?

[Authari]

Other things that I believe? Like what?

The principle is simple.  If you adopt an unorthodox definition of something, or some concept, that difference from common usage when applied to other things may have unintended consequences.

I'll give a made-up example.  A person recently suggested that his view was that God is everywhere, that the universe is like God's body, and we are like a toe or a finger.  That leads to the question of whether all the parts of God are sentient.  If so, then that would seem to imply, by the analogy, that toes and fingers are sentient, which they are not.  At minimum, that points to a limitation of the analogy which needs elaboration through other means.  However, one can't really back pedal and say that the toes and fingers of God are not sentient, even though he is, as that would imply that God is composed of parts, which has consequences and ramifications which show up in other areas of theological import.  The long and short is, there is no free lunch.  Words and language are a system of interdependent meanings.  When you adjust one off here in the corner, that doesn't just affect that one corner, it has ramifications for the whole system.

According to what I'm saying, its that even the Rock that has been sitting silently on a hill somewhere for thousands of years never saying a word or moving from its spot is 'sentient' not with a brain, but with the mind of God. Not at all unlike Animism. Also as far as toes and fingers go, they bend don't they? Those little tiny 'sentient' cells in them work to do that right? To function as a whole... there's a lot of work that goes into moving your toes and fingers created by a colony of 100 trillion cells that make up our body. Your sentience is just amplified from their own, and they themselves just have an amplified awareness from the energy within them.

[Angrboda]

The principle is simple.  If you adopt an unorthodox definition of something, or some concept, that difference from common usage when applied to other things may have unintended consequences.

I'll give a made-up example.  A person recently suggested that his view was that God is everywhere, that the universe is like God's body, and we are like a toe or a finger.  That leads to the question of whether all the parts of God are sentient.  If so, then that would seem to imply, by the analogy, that toes and fingers are sentient, which they are not.  At minimum, that points to a limitation of the analogy which needs elaboration through other means.  However, one can't really back pedal and say that the toes and fingers of God are not sentient, even though he is, as that would imply that God is composed of parts, which has consequences and ramifications which show up in other areas of theological import.  The long and short is, there is no free lunch.  Words and language are a system of interdependent meanings.  When you adjust one off here in the corner, that doesn't just affect that one corner, it has ramifications for the whole system.

According to what I'm saying, its that even the Rock that has been sitting silently on a hill somewhere for thousands of years never saying a word or moving from its spot is 'sentient' not with a brain, but with the mind of God. Not at all unlike Animism. Also as far as toes and fingers go, they bend don't they? Those little tiny 'sentient' cells in them work to do that right? To function as a whole... there's a lot of work that goes into moving your toes and fingers created by a colony of 100 trillion cells that make up our body. Your sentience is just amplified from their own, and they themselves just have an amplified awareness from the energy within them.

That's nice. You're taking my example as something more than an example. The intent was to illustrate the principle, not to make an argument or a claim.

[LinuxGal]

So God is energy. Is God that small-dick energy Greta Thunberg has been talking about?

The whole GOP has an epidemic of that kind of energy.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I think it takes balls to declare “energy as the essence of sentience” when one has clear idea about neither what energy, nor what essence, nor what sentience really means.

Oh absolutely not I've only been contemplating the relationship between energy and the brain for over 10 years.

Does your ‘contemplating’ include anything in the nature of actual evidence, or are you just giving out Rectally Extracted Musings?

Boru

[Authari]

Oh absolutely not I've only been contemplating the relationship between energy and the brain for over 10 years.

Does your ‘contemplating’ include anything in the nature of actual evidence, or are you just giving out Rectally Extracted Musings?

Boru

As I said I have a pamphlet for it, but its a wall of text and you probably wouldn't read it anyways. Honestly I was not expecting this place to be so immature. Nor did I think so many atheists would just discredit this proposition out of hand without giving it a second thought. I suppose they deny energy and sentience like they deny God, but I mean most people are only atheists because they have some vexation against God, so it makes sense I guess, don't want to believe in something you hate. I get it. Which is why many people stopped believing in the United States as well.

[Anomalocaris]

Ah, a pamphlet. Now that definitely undoes the foundations of modern cosmology if a YouTube video doesn’t.

[Authari]

Ah, a pamphlet.   Now that definitely undoes the foundations of modern cosmology if a YouTube video doesn’t.

Why do you bring that over here when it should be in a different thread? Your need for attention and self-gratification must be very great.

[Anomalocaris]

Because you talked about your pamphlet just one post before, and in this thread you claim energy to be something different from what it is assessed to be in the basis of modern cosmology?