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Did guns or vaccines save more lives in 2021?

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Did guns or vaccines save more lives in 2021?
FlatAssembler Offline
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Did guns or vaccines save more lives in 2021?
January 7, 2023 at 3:18 pm
COVID-19 vaccinations are estimated to have saved around 300'000 lives in 2021 in the USA.
According to the famous study done by Gary Kleck in 1995, guns also save around 300'000 lives each year in the USA.
So, what do you guys think, did defensive gun use or COVID-19 vaccines save more lives in 2021?
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RE: Did guns or vaccines save more lives in 2021?
January 7, 2023 at 3:21 pm
Yes
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RE: Did guns or vaccines save more lives in 2021?
January 7, 2023 at 4:19 pm
The other question is, how many lives did guns take?
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RE: Did guns or vaccines save more lives in 2021?
January 7, 2023 at 4:23 pm
(January 7, 2023 at 4:19 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: The other question is, how many lives did guns take?

That's easy. Less than 50'000.
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RE: Did guns or vaccines save more lives in 2021?
January 7, 2023 at 4:27 pm (This post was last modified: January 7, 2023 at 4:28 pm by BrianSoddingBoru4.)
(January 7, 2023 at 3:18 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: COVID-19 vaccinations are estimated to have saved around 300'000 lives in 2021 in the USA.
According to the famous study done by Gary Kleck in 1995, guns also save around 300'000 lives each year in the USA.
So, what do you guys think, did defensive gun use or COVID-19 vaccines save more lives in 2021?

I’m not familiar with Kleck’s study. That doesn’t really matter, though, as I reject the premise. A more pertinent question would be, ‘Did guns or vaccines kill more people in 2021?’.

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Edit: Yeah, what zebo said.
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RE: Did guns or vaccines save more lives in 2021?
January 7, 2023 at 4:45 pm
But what if someone gets vaccinated and then killed by a gun?
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RE: Did guns or vaccines save more lives in 2021?
January 7, 2023 at 4:47 pm
I'm ready to call troll with these ridiculous posts.

It never ends and the 'data' that gets presented is always flawed.
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RE: Did guns or vaccines save more lives in 2021?
January 7, 2023 at 6:39 pm
(January 7, 2023 at 3:18 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: COVID-19 vaccinations are estimated to have saved around 300'000 lives in 2021 in the USA.
According to the famous study done by Gary Kleck in 1995, guns also save around 300'000 lives each year in the USA.
So, what do you guys think, did defensive gun use or COVID-19 vaccines save more lives in 2021?

The following chart speaks for itself:

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As with infant mortality, there is very little to argue with here.
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RE: Did guns or vaccines save more lives in 2021?
January 7, 2023 at 6:50 pm
Equating Kleck's definition of "defensive gun use" (at least the work I have familiarty of) with "life saved" is pure equivocation.
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RE: Did guns or vaccines save more lives in 2021?
January 7, 2023 at 7:29 pm
(January 7, 2023 at 3:18 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: COVID-19 vaccinations are estimated to have saved around 300'000 lives in 2021 in the USA.
According to the famous study done by Gary Kleck in 1995, guns also save around 300'000 lives each year in the USA.
So, what do you guys think, did defensive gun use or COVID-19 vaccines save more lives in 2021?
Equivocation fallacy ... Dodgy
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