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Did guns or vaccines save more lives in 2021?
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Sesame seeds killed more people than guns and COVID combined. That’s what a YouTube video told me anyway.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken. 
Will evil cats who have been fed only bananas and sesame seeds cause earthquakes in Croatia if they learn to meow in Latin?
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More people have died from the misuse of prescription drugs than either.
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse! ![[Image: Canada_Flag.jpg?v=1646203843]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=cdn.shopify.com%2Fs%2Ffiles%2F1%2F0630%2F5310%2F3332%2Fproducts%2FCanada_Flag.jpg%3Fv%3D1646203843) “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?” –SHIRLEY CHISHOLM (January 7, 2023 at 7:58 pm)Helios Wrote: More people have died from the misuse of prescription drugs than either. Not to mention malaria, a real killer of children. It was Stalin, after all, who said, "The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of a million is a statistic." And, so, no sense in trying to save the lives of little children at the hands of gun violence when so many are perishing due to other causes seems to be the argument advanced by some here??? (January 7, 2023 at 7:42 pm)Jehanne Wrote:(January 7, 2023 at 7:34 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Sesame seeds killed more people than guns and COVID combined. That’s what a YouTube video told me anyway. It was a joke; riffing off of something dumb OP said in another thread.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.  RE: Did guns or vaccines save more lives in 2021?
January 7, 2023 at 8:42 pm
(This post was last modified: January 7, 2023 at 9:38 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(January 7, 2023 at 3:18 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: COVID-19 vaccinations are estimated to have saved around 300'000 lives in 2021 in the USA. There were something like 20,000 murders or criminal homicides in the US each year. for guns to save 300000 lives a year, we would need to assume it prevented 94% of the murders or homicide that otherwise would have occurred. it says were it not for guns the average american would have roughly 1 % chance of dying from murdered or homicide. it also says guns are not only available for, but also successfully used for, self defense in 94% of the cases where the intended victims would otherwise have been killed. do any of this pass the most cursory sniff test even for the US? Since I think Gary Kleck’s study overstates the life saving value of guns by only a slightly fewer orders of magnitude than Bishop Ussher’s study understates the age of the earth, I would say Covid-19 saved far more lives.
True Gary is a gun nut whose research can't be trusted.
"Change was inevitable"
Nemo sicut deus debet esse! “No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?” –SHIRLEY CHISHOLM
Guys, it's FA comparing two things that have nothing to do with one another.
He should be trying to make it through his school program instead of taking random, unrelated things and trying to make data fit. (January 7, 2023 at 6:50 pm)Jackalope Wrote: Equating Kleck's definition of "defensive gun use" (at least the work I have familiarty of) with "life saved" is pure equivocation.Gary Kleck argued that there are around 2.5 million defensive gun uses in the USA per year, and that 300'000 of them save lives. |
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