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Airplane & the conveyer belt
#31
RE: Airplane & the conveyer belt
(April 14, 2023 at 7:17 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:
(April 14, 2023 at 12:07 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: some can.   they depend on direct engine thrust to create lift with tilting nozzle engines such as does the harrier, others uses dedicated downward pointing lift engines such as the Russian yak-38, and a number of Others pivots while engines downwards to generate lift, such as the Osprey, and a number of other VTOL concepts.

Short of lifting using engine thrust, there are also designs that uses engines to help the wing generate lift without forward motion.   Some blow exhaust closely over top surface of the wing, and also uses the exhaust stream to entrain andditional ambient air to create a sheet of high velocity air over the wing to create lift, such as the YF-15.  Others bleed air from the engine through ducts to blow over top of the airfoil to reduce stall speed.

I thought VTOL planes would be an obvious exception, so I ignored them. I've been on ships carrying Harriers.

It makes perfect sense to ignore them, as downward thrust isn’t the issue. If it was, we might as well include helicopters.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#32
RE: Airplane & the conveyer belt
(April 14, 2023 at 7:34 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: there are a number of electric UAV concepts which uses the wash from rows of propellers mounted on the leading edge of wings to generate airflow over wing.

In the illustration in the OP, there are no propellers.

Boru
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#33
RE: Airplane & the conveyer belt
(April 13, 2023 at 5:28 am)h4ym4n Wrote: The thrust of the jet engines would push the plane off the end of the conveyor no matter what the speed of conveyor 

No flight at that time

It would be like the plane at the end of runway doing an engine test. 

Full breaks full throttle conveyor matching the speed of wheels 

Insufficient airflow for lift

Rethinking 

I think if conveyor is the required length for normal lift then yes. It would lift off normally.

Conveyor matching the speed of wheels is irrelevant. 



At engine run up, full breaks full throttle, conveyor matching the wheel speed (0 rpm) no lift no flight.

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