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If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist
RE: If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist
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RE: If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist
(June 13, 2023 at 3:15 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(June 13, 2023 at 3:07 pm)Aegon Wrote: Dude there are literally 8 million+ species of animal on the planet. But they're in baby form so they fit? What are you smoking?

Maybe Noah just took DNA samples from all the animal and kept them in cryotanks. When he left the Ark, he built a full-scale genetics lab and reconstituted all the species. He also - apparently - figured a workaround to prevent inbreeding from a gene pool of eight people.

It’s no sillier than any other explanation.

Boru

you know if you take a little Adam and Eve pole shifting and mix it in with Noah it's possible. Wink
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(June 13, 2023 at 12:22 pm)no one Wrote: Why is this god of Abraham so stupid?

Why would anyone with a 1/1000000000000 of a brain accept the hogwash notion that there even is a god?

You familiar with sim theory?
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RE: If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist
(June 13, 2023 at 1:29 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Magic books and magic boats, but not a shred of common sense or mundane decency.

Don't forget Human demon hybrids/demi-gods.
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(June 13, 2023 at 1:46 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Such a hot steaming pile that just keeps growing.  

The easter bunny went to ark and dropped off eggs that didn't need to be incubated.

are you familiar with how mulch is made?

In this mulching process bacteria breaks down generally plant matter and in this process the mulch pile can internally reach temps as high as 160*F the closer you get to the center of the pile. an egg only needs about 100*F to incubate.

Noah would have need quite a large amount of hay to feed whatever dairy animals he had to keep all the baby mammals alive. which also means plenty of poop/the caytlist for mulch.

So it is all very plausible, as all the resources were there to incubate said eggs.
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All these baby animals spending 40 days and 40 nights on a boat. Were they milking Mrs. Noah for nourishment? Was Noah chewing up food and regurgitating it for the animals that eat like that?

Or is this one of those magic dust sorta things where god sprinkles everything and it's all good...'cause he's powerful like that?

Has to be magic dust.

My father (who was a veterinarian) and I discussed this story at length. It's a huge part of what stopped his belief, the utter impossibility of it.

And.....let's just put this out there. If god was/is able to do this fancy schmancy magical stuff, why doesn't he do it now? If he can start a flood, it follows that he can also stop one. Same with all the other catastrophic weather events.
What fresh hell can this be? - Dorothy Parker
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(June 13, 2023 at 2:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(June 13, 2023 at 1:35 pm)R-Farmer Wrote: Noah did not gather anything God delivered it to him.
20 Two of every kind of bird, animal, and creeping thing will come to you so that you might keep them alive.

 


Or the animals came and left eggs..



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Stop with the links till you reach 30/30.

What about marsupials? Is it your contention that pregnant koalas swam across the Pacific and Indian Oceans, gave birth, then swam home? Did God instruct Noah on the construction of marsupial pouches? Bear in mind that a joey stays in its mother’s pouch for six to seven months, which is hard to reconcile with five months on the ark.

Also, assuming they didn’t drown while swimming eight thousand miles, how did the koalas eat during the trip? Koalas feed primarily on eucalyptus leaves, which are famous for not growing in the middle of the ocean.

Boru

Two things I personally believe the ark story happened further back than what most people understand. far enough back that the animals on the ark may not be recognized today. Which means Noah did not need to have today's zoological catalog on board. but rather some of the ancestors to what we have today. so instead of opossums and Koalas maybe all Noah needed was whatever their common ancestor was.
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If you have to make believe to support make believe, what do you get?
"What a little moonlight can do." ~ Billie Holiday
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(June 13, 2023 at 3:00 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You continue to fail at this line of questioning because you ask an objectivist what makes one relativist morality “better” than another.


You are 100% correct. I'm failing at this line of questioning Miserably. But, probably not for the reason you think. 

As you still think these questions are about judging actual acts. When in fact the discussion is about separating man's standard of right and wrong from God's. In an effort to demonstrate that if you here now today with your object morality intact, would not question your morality now, You being the same person, would not question what society told you was moral if you were born in another time or place. I failed here because you don't seem to understand the base nature of this discussion. you want to argue irrelevant details and I'm trying to bring you into a deeper discussion. I do apologize for my short comings/ability to communicate with you more effectively.

Quote:A moral objectivist contends that -all- relativist moralities are false.   The idea…to an objectivist…that kiddie fucking is good or bad because a god says so…or good or bad because a society says so….is a complete non-starter.


again, "K/F" aside, ( you are still arguing irrelevant details) I'm asking what tells you this or any other morally objectionable act is to be considered evil behavior?

I contend objective morality is just generational form of relative morality. IE, it is wrong because your father told you it was wrong, and His father before him and so on back till at one point it for whatever reason it wasn't. 

I am also pointing out without God as a point or foundation to your moral/Righteous objectivity, if you lived in a time where "K/F" was not generationally prohibited there would be nothing to stop you from indulging in this sin or any other.
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(June 13, 2023 at 3:07 pm)Aegon Wrote:
(June 13, 2023 at 1:00 pm)R-Farmer Wrote: again.. Not a logistical tale of how one man defied God and saved the world on his own by building a boat. God used Noah and his faith in god to save the world meaning Noah did not gather the animals eggs or alive. God sent them to him. Oh, and all one needs is a 100*F +\- heat source for about 3 to 6 weeks for most incubation cycles. Which is not a problem in the summer months. On top of that composting hay will get between 120 and 140*F in the center of the pile. it gets cooler towards the outside.

All I'm pointing out is if animals were loaded up in their baby form 90% of the space you think is needed isn't.

Dude there are literally 8 million+ species of animal on the planet. But they're in baby form so they fit? What are you smoking?

what makes you think Noah had access to the same animals we have now? I just pointed out to someone else that all he need do is have access to some of the common ancestors and whole genui/genuses? could be accounted for.
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