A Rebellious People

[Deesse23]

but you can not seem to offer any empathy at all for the human infant that still dwells within the womb.

There is again no reason the fetus's mere existence overrides a woman's autonomy or sexual freedom.  

I already have asked him what a just punishment would be for infanticide = abortion.
I also have asked him how he wants to avoid spontaneous early term abortions (which happen en masse, NATURALLY), because.....right to live of a fetus, ya know.
I guess there is a specific reason he continuously chooses to ignore all points (like this) which completely blow his silly ideas out of the water.

His ideas are neither in agreement with the data/information we have nor are they internally consistent. All he has is arguments from emotion.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

@Authari

Sex is meant to be an act of procreation,

-I've had a lot (like, a really, really lot) of sex, but have never procreated. Does that make me a sinner for denying God's will? 

-Should infertile people not be allowed to have sex?

-Should blowies be outlawed? ('If you swallow them, you don't have to name them.' - Clara Bow)

-Should women only be allowed to have sex during ovulation?

-Do you consider male masturbation to be an act of murder?

-Have you gotten round to contacting mental health therapists in your area?

Boru

[brewer]

i see you went with the odd cases of walruses having sex with penguins, preferring the extraordinary cases to the ordinary, indeed you will find I don't deny that these things happen, just that it is by and large in the animal kingdom the norm for sex to be purely an act of procreation.

However having said that, in your pursuit to look up the extraordinary cases and compile them in a list to try to debunk my post, you also willfully departed from any intention in countering the rest of the post, so now all you've done is try to disprove one thing to disprove everything, which an admirable attempt I must say, but you still disregarded the main fact here. Sex is meant to be an act of procreation, trying to deny such is like trying to deny your own humanity. So you haven't disproven anything, all you've made abundantly clear is that some animals prefer homosexual behavior, which I'm glad you're so open-minded about the right for giraffes to love who they want to and that you support their 'sexual freedom' but you can not seem to offer any empathy at all for the human infant that still dwells within the womb. Your love for animals over humans is detestable, to say the least.

[Simon Moon]

Bold portion mine.

This is absolutely not true.

The Amazon river dolphin or boto has been reported to form up in bands of 3–5 individuals engaging in sexual activity. The groups usually comprise young males and sometimes one or two females.

Courtship, mounting, and full anal penetration between bulls has been noted to occur among American bison.

More than 20 species of bat have been documented to engage in homosexual behavior.

African and Asian male elephants will engage in same-sex bonding and mounting. Male elephants, who often live apart from the general herd, often form "companionships", consisting of an older individual and one or sometimes two younger males with sexual behavior being an important part of the social dynamic.

Male giraffes have been observed to engage in remarkably high frequencies of homosexual behavior. After aggressive "necking", it is common for two male giraffes to caress and court each other, leading up to mounting and climax. Such interactions between males have been found to be more frequent than heterosexual coupling. In one study, up to 94% of observed mounting incidents took place between two males.

Ovis aries (sheep) has attracted much attention due to the fact that around 8–10% of rams have an exclusive homosexual orientation. Such rams prefer to court and mount other rams only, even in the presence of estrous ewes. Moreover, around 18–22% of rams are bisexual.

This is just a small list of non reproduction type is sex in the natural world. Lions, giraffes, Orangutans, gorillas, bats, penguins, polecats, are a few more.

And, as someone else mentioned, bonobo chimps (our closest cousins), are quite active in various non reproductive sexual activities.

So, if you are so utterly wrong about this, just think about all the other things you are wrong about.

i see you went with the odd cases of walruses having sex with penguins, preferring the extraordinary cases to the ordinary, indeed you will find I don't deny that these things happen, just that it is by and large in the animal kingdom the norm for sex to be purely an act of procreation.

However having said that, in your pursuit to look up the extraordinary cases and compile them in a list to try to debunk my post, you also willfully departed from any intention in countering the rest of the post, so now all you've done is try to disprove one thing to disprove everything, which an admirable attempt I must say, but you still disregarded the main fact here. Sex is meant to be an act of procreation, trying to deny such is like trying to deny your own humanity. So you haven't disproven anything, all you've made abundantly clear is that some animals prefer homosexual behavior, which I'm glad you're so open-minded about the right for giraffes to love who they want to and that you support their 'sexual freedom' but you can not seem to offer any empathy at all for the human infant that still dwells within the womb. Your love for animals over humans is detestable, to say the least.

I did nothing of the sort.

I listed many species known for having sex for non-procreative reasons. Most of the examples I mentioned are actually quite common. None of them are extraordinary cases. They are observed in nature all the time.

None of the examples I mentioned were anything close to 'walruses trying to have sex with penguins'. They were all within the same species, and for the purpose of social bonds, and sexual gratification.

Hell, left-handedness in humans is more rare than the non-procreative sex examples I listed above.

[The Grand Nudger]

I bet left handed redheads do the majority of fucking for fun per capita, though.

[arewethereyet]

i see you went with the odd cases of walruses having sex with penguins, preferring the extraordinary cases to the ordinary, indeed you will find I don't deny that these things happen, just that it is by and large in the animal kingdom the norm for sex to be purely an act of procreation.

However having said that, in your pursuit to look up the extraordinary cases and compile them in a list to try to debunk my post, you also willfully departed from any intention in countering the rest of the post, so now all you've done is try to disprove one thing to disprove everything, which an admirable attempt I must say, but you still disregarded the main fact here. Sex is meant to be an act of procreation, trying to deny such is like trying to deny your own humanity. So you haven't disproven anything, all you've made abundantly clear is that some animals prefer homosexual behavior, which I'm glad you're so open-minded about the right for giraffes to love who they want to and that you support their 'sexual freedom' but you can not seem to offer any empathy at all for the human infant that still dwells within the womb. Your love for animals over humans is detestable, to say the least.

I did nothing of the sort.

I listed many species known for having sex for non-procreative reasons. Most of the examples I mentioned are actually quite common. None of them are extraordinary cases. They are observed in nature all the time.

None of the examples I mentioned were anything close to 'walruses trying to have sex with penguins'. They were all within the same species, and for the purpose of social bonds, and sexual gratification.

Hell, left-handedness in humans is more rare than the non-procreative sex examples I listed above.

My female puppy really, really tries to have relations with my neutered cat.  She's obviously a top.  The cat is confused by the whole thing.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's not confused, it's playing hard to get.

[LinuxGal]

Who really is the misogynist here? Because if you really cared about women you would hold them to a higher standard than the one you currently do. It is the standards we set for ourselves that determines how we live our lives.

Hold them to a higher standard?

Determine how they live their lives?

Do women have any say in that?

[MarcusA]

Only from the heart can you touch the sky. - Rumi

'Scuse me, while I kiss the sky. - Jimi Hendrix

[MarcusA]

Beauty takes your heart and tears it apart. I might be in the wrong forum.