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Any Nihilists here?
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 RE: Any Nihilists here?
August 23, 2023 at 3:08 am
(This post was last modified: August 23, 2023 at 3:08 am by FrustratedFool.)
I don't get it, sorry.
But let's assume that you are right. That there are objective moral facts. How do we know what they are? RE: Any Nihilists here?
August 23, 2023 at 3:15 am
(This post was last modified: August 23, 2023 at 3:15 am by The Grand Nudger.)
The same way we determine any other fact. Moral realism is a non novel position. It treats assertions to moral facts the same way we treat cat facts, for example.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Can you give me a concrete example?
RE: Any Nihilists here?
August 23, 2023 at 3:18 am
(This post was last modified: August 23, 2023 at 3:18 am by The Grand Nudger.)
If someone tells me that masturbating is bad because it'll make me grow fur on my palms I'm going to arrange for a vigorous experiment.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
That's not testing a moral claim, that's testing a physical claim???
Let's say that someone tells you causing harm is bad. How can we test that? RE: Any Nihilists here?
August 23, 2023 at 3:28 am
(This post was last modified: August 23, 2023 at 3:29 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Moral realism...treats assertions to moral facts...the same way it treats any other assertion to fact.
Go pour that boiling water on a geriatrics labes my guy. See if it pans out as expected.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Yes, you've said that. I've agreed, for the sake of argument that moral facts exist. Now I'm just querying the methodology of finding out what those facts are.
So, it's quite simple to devise a test to find out if cats exist or if there's one in the room or if they can fly and so on. But what test can we devise to find out if causing harm is bad?
A question that's been asked and answered twice in as many posts.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: Any Nihilists here?
August 23, 2023 at 3:33 am
(This post was last modified: August 23, 2023 at 3:33 am by FrustratedFool.)
Weird: to me it clearly hasn't.
Can you detail the specific experiment you'd carry out to see if causing harm is bad? RE: Any Nihilists here?
August 23, 2023 at 3:41 am
(This post was last modified: August 23, 2023 at 3:42 am by The Grand Nudger.)
You asked how we would arrange for an experiment directly after having two experiments described to you. Furiously masturbating to test the theory that masturbation is bad because it will make hair grow on palms, or pouring a pot of boiling water on an elderly persons lap to see if harm really is bad - or if that's just...like, my opinion, man.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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