Inceldom

[no one]

I am not good enough to be considered anything other than a deplorable, pathetic, hopeless failure.

I do not think I am owed anything. I don't even compare to incels, I am something far, far worse.

[FrustratedFool]

I am not good enough to be considered anything other than a deplorable, pathetic, hopeless failure.

I do not think I am owed anything. I don't even compare to incels, I am something far, far worse.

Can you be very specific about what makes you worse and a hopeless failure etc?

[no one]

I am me, absolutely nothing worse than that!

I am:
Vile
Disgusting
Detestable
Repugnant
Worthless

For starters.

[FrustratedFool]

Ever since I heard of the phenomenon/trend of inceldom I've wanted to discuss/empathize with other people who feel they suffer in this way. I don't qualify as an incel so perhaps I'm not 100% equipped to understand how this feels, but I'm interested and I want to try and connect. I tried browsing incel forums and threads on the net but I found the atmosphere there so repugnant that I did not dare to post. Also, I found the hate and bullying so intense from both "sides" (if there are sides, really) that I found it extremely bothersome to read. So I'm interested to know if there is anyone who browse these forums who identify as an incel and who would like to talk about it?

I guess there have always been lonely single people. No doubt some percentage of them get bitter at the world. 

Would you say there is a difference between modern incels and good old-fashioned lonely horny guys? Is it just that the Internet has allowed them to find each other and give themselves a name? Or is there something new going on?

If I can be permitted to respond to your question to Moebius as well, I'll offer my own 2p on this point:

Is there a difference between modern incels and lonely guys from previous generations? I'd say yes. When I was a lonely, bullied-for-my-looks teen with no internet, I was alone and all my resentment and misery was directed inward. I was the anomaly. These days someone like myself would very quickly find themselves in contact with a range of people online, including various incel groups, black pill and red pill groups, and so on. It is far more likely for a modern incel to now have a whole community and ideology and culture (history, heroes, and language) in their ears, and I think this makes it far more likely for them to direct their pain outwards and blame others (usually women).

Has the internet allowed them to find each other and give themselves a name? Basically, yes.

Is there something else going on? The internet is the biggest factor leading to the difference, I think. But there's also some social changes which combined with the net led to the modern incel phenomena: the ever increasing value put on aesthetics, body and appearance; the hyper-sexualisation of society; young person's dating being massively influenced by dating app technology; the decline in social spaces and social interaction, esp with covid and economic austerity; the progress made by feminism and the lgbtq+ movement which has, to some degree, undermined the previous elevated status of cishet men and to some degree makes traditional masculinity a target of attack; somewhat paradoxically with the previous comment (but obviously interconnected) the limited revival of traditional masculine aesthetics and values ('alpha' males, the grind, gym bros, trad con rightwing masculinity, Vikings and John Wick etc). Additionally, it might also be relevant to say that rates of neurodiversity and anxiety diagnosis are possibly increasing - and if this reflects a genuine increase in autistic and anxious people in society then that too should go in the mix. As would the decreasing average family size, if such a thing is happening - more men without brothers and fathers I think could be a factor too.

All that seems to create a perfect storm: lonely, ugly, neurodiverse, fatherless, brotherless young men, massively socially isolated due to pandemics, economics and culture, in a highly visual society that places huge value on appearance and sex, where dating is often conducted through apps which massively favour women and where selection is based primarily on appearance, where half their peers seemingly subscribe to a hyper-masculine message and the other half decry men as toxic and dangerous, and giving them huge amounts of unmonitored freetime with access to an internet full of radicalising hate-filled voices that offer them community and sympathetic understanding and a scape-goat for their suffering.

[FrustratedFool]

I am me, absolutely nothing worse than that!

I am:
Vile
Disgusting
Detestable
Repugnant
Worthless

For starters.

That's not specific enough.

When you say you are repugnant, is that, for example, because you have a body type considered unattractive by most (you are short, disfigured, bald, obese, etc); and/or because your character, opinions or behaviour would be considered repugnant to most (you're a Nazi, a pedophile, an animal abuser etc); and/or because you have mental traits considered unsuitable for dating by most (you are autistic, have Down's, have biploar, etc)?

The more specific you are, the more people may be able to give you advice or sympathy or understand your posts.

[Gwaithmir]

I'm an incel in the sense that I'm an atheist and most of the single women in this area are Catholics who aren't interested in relationships with non-believers. I had a very satisfying relationship with an atheist woman during the early 1990's. We separated on friendly terms when she decided to move away on account of her career. By then, I was in my 50's and no longer interested in pursuing another relationship. I've been without a sexual partner since then and it hasn't bothered me.

[FrustratedFool]

I'm an incel in the sense that I'm an atheist and most of the single women in this area are Catholics who aren't interested in relationships with non-believers. I had a very satisfying relationship with an atheist woman during the early 1990's. We separated on friendly terms when she decided to move away on account of her career. By then, I was in my 50's and no longer interested in pursuing another relationship. I've been without a sexual partner since then and it hasn't bothered me.

I guess the not being bothered, not pursuing, and having had a relationship (did you ever receive sexual validation prior to that relationship?) would place you outside of inceldom proper.

[Gwaithmir]

I'm an incel in the sense that I'm an atheist and most of the single women in this area are Catholics who aren't interested in relationships with non-believers. I had a very satisfying relationship with an atheist woman during the early 1990's. We separated on friendly terms when she decided to move away on account of her career. By then, I was in my 50's and no longer interested in pursuing another relationship. I've been without a sexual partner since then and it hasn't bothered me.

I guess the not being bothered, not pursuing, and having had a relationship (did you ever receive sexual validation prior to that relationship?) would place you outside of inceldom proper.

All I can say is that my relationships with women were few and far between. I didn't have my first sexual experience with a woman until my early 20's.

[Moebius]

Ever since I heard of the phenomenon/trend of inceldom I've wanted to discuss/empathize with other people who feel they suffer in this way. I don't qualify as an incel so perhaps I'm not 100% equipped to understand how this feels, but I'm interested and I want to try and connect. I tried browsing incel forums and threads on the net but I found the atmosphere there so repugnant that I did not dare to post. Also, I found the hate and bullying so intense from both "sides" (if there are sides, really) that I found it extremely bothersome to read. So I'm interested to know if there is anyone who browse these forums who identify as an incel and who would like to talk about it?

I guess there have always been lonely single people. No doubt some percentage of them get bitter at the world. 

Would you say there is a difference between modern incels and good old-fashioned lonely horny guys? Is it just that the Internet has allowed them to find each other and give themselves a name? Or is there something new going on?

Yes. There is clearly something new going on in culture. The vernacular at least has clearly seeped into common parlance. But good old-fashioned horny, lonely guys will never go away! Sigh.

[Moebius]

No one owes anyone sex.  The end.

You're right. What more can I say?