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RE: Fundies Will Be Shitting Bricks
April 13, 2011 at 6:48 pm
(April 13, 2011 at 6:37 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Huh? Why would this bother creationists in the slightest? Just because you can synthesis something like this using dozens of carefully controlled factors and intelligently guided forces in no way means it could have ever happened naturally. Sorry to rain on your parade.
Wait. So doing something in a lab is proof that whatever outcome may come is proof that a guiding intelligence must create it and that it would not happen naturally?
Why stop there and carry that line of thought out to its final conclusion. If what you say is true, not only is it proof that such outcomes must have a guiding intelligence, but that guiding intelligence must also be mortal humans.
So tired of half assed arguments from design..they always stop when it seems to fit right with their views, even though you can take the argument a few more steps.
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RE: Fundies Will Be Shitting Bricks
April 13, 2011 at 6:56 pm
(This post was last modified: April 13, 2011 at 6:58 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
Who made an argument for design? I Was just saying this is by no means evidence supporting the RNA wWorld Hypothesis. I find it very hard to believe that something that thus far is impossible even under the most controlled conditions could just happen naturally 3 billion years ago. That's all. Thought you guys were supposed to be skeptics, you sure seem to gobble up this sort of BS lol.
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RE: Fundies Will Be Shitting Bricks
April 13, 2011 at 7:11 pm
(This post was last modified: April 13, 2011 at 7:12 pm by reverendjeremiah.)
(April 13, 2011 at 6:56 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Who made an argument for design? I Was just saying this is by no means evidence supporting the RNA wWorld Hypothesis. I find it very hard to believe that something that thus far is impossible even under the most controlled conditions could just happen naturally 3 billion years ago. That's all. Thought you guys were supposed to be skeptics, you sure seem to gobble up this sort of BS lol. No, that is not how it looks to me. You looks like no matter what outcome came from a lab experiment, it is not proof that it will happen naturally.
(April 13, 2011 at 6:37 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Huh? Why would this bother creationists in the slightest? Just because you can synthesis something like this using dozens of carefully controlled factors and intelligently guided forces in no way means it could have ever happened naturally. Sorry to rain on your parade.
Yes, that is EXACTLY what you were saying. And if it wasnt, would you care to explain you view on "Just because you can synthesis something like this using dozens of carefully controlled factors and intelligently guided forces in no way means it could have ever happened naturally." So that it would be clarified. Otherwise it looks like an intelligent design "fail safe" argument that no matter what happens, you can just claim it only proves that it takes directed design to do such a thing.
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RE: Fundies Will Be Shitting Bricks
April 13, 2011 at 7:53 pm
(This post was last modified: April 13, 2011 at 7:55 pm by LastPoet.)
(April 13, 2011 at 6:37 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Huh? Why would this bother creationists in the slightest? Just because you can synthesis something like this using dozens of carefully controlled factors and intelligently guided forces in no way means it could have ever happened naturally. Sorry to rain on your parade.
You see what I mean now Min?
Never underestimate the deshonesty of a creationist.
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RE: Fundies Will Be Shitting Bricks
April 13, 2011 at 7:54 pm
(This post was last modified: April 13, 2011 at 8:03 pm by Statler Waldorf.)
Uhh you are right, it is not proof that it can happen naturally. We can synthesis lots of things in the lab that could never happen naturally, this is one of those things.
You are not seriously so naive that you believe this is evidence for the RNA World Hypothesis are you?
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RE: Fundies Will Be Shitting Bricks
April 14, 2011 at 3:38 am
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Statler whatever Wrote:Uhh you are right, it is not proof that it can happen naturally. We can synthesis lots of things in the lab that could never happen naturally, this is one of those things.
We can also synthesize thousands of things that DO occur naturally. Enzymes, for instance. RNA, for instance. R18, for instance.
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RE: Fundies Will Be Shitting Bricks
April 14, 2011 at 3:59 am
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And the very medicines that keep Salad Waldorf healthy...lol
Congrats to the scientists who worked on this project. Looking forward the the final theory on just 'How life began' on this rock. THEN maybe we can get into outer Space and start making some REAL progress. sans Salad Waldorfs of course...who would much prefer not to partake of the new discoveries.
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RE: Fundies Will Be Shitting Bricks
April 14, 2011 at 9:05 am
walldork Wrote:Who made an argument for design?
VS.
walldork Wrote:Uhh you are right, it is not proof that it can happen naturally.
No, this is proof that Waldorf will blatantly LIE
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RE: Fundies Will Be Shitting Bricks
April 14, 2011 at 12:09 pm
(April 13, 2011 at 6:37 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:
Huh? Why would this bother creationists in the slightest? Just because you can synthesis something like this using dozens of carefully controlled factors and intelligently guided forces in no way means it could have ever happened naturally. Sorry to rain on your parade.
But how could us humans with out limited minds who can't even comprehend how god truly works be able to create something that took an all powerful and all knowing mind to create originally?
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RE: Fundies Will Be Shitting Bricks
April 14, 2011 at 2:04 pm
This is huge news Min, but it will be of no consequence to any creationist committed to the fine art of intellectual dishonesty.
They'll move the goalposts indefinitely.
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If science allows us to recreate the exact conditions of how life established on this very planet, even if we demonstrate to them via direct observation of how life can arise from inorganic matter through natural processes, they will simply respond with "Yeah, but you can't get a fully developed adult human from that!" or nonsense like "Ah, but you didn't create that matter from nothing, so it doesn't count!".
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