Palestine

[WinterHold]

I did answer countless times, for example here:

https://atheistforums.org/thread-65528-p...pid2173941




You're biased, not honest and I feel shocked that you defend murderers and killers.
Shame, this war exposed the west TBH.

When have you seen me defend Israel’s actions in this mess?? Criticizing Hamas is NOT the same as defending Israel, and you’re a cunt for accusing me of it.

Boru

You seriously don't get the shock and disgust I have right now after Israel killed 3000 civilians in Gaza in just 1 week, bombed a hospital full of children and sick people sending the body parts of 500 innocents to spray the walls -literally; this is what eye witnesses said about the aftermath. !

[WinterHold]

Since the U.S and Israel are the ones owning nukes, the bomb must be made by them.

What are Russia, North Korea, and Pakistan, chopped liver?

No, between the fighting parties.
Any nuclear business will be caused by the U.S and Israel; period.

[Silver]

Israel is guilty.

Hamas is guilty.

Neither are innocent.

The end.

[Fake Messiah]

What are Russia, North Korea, and Pakistan, chopped liver?

No, between the fighting parties.
Any nuclear business will be caused by the U.S and Israel; period.

NK is involved

Hamas terrorists ‘used North Korean weapons in Israel attack’

The North Korean F-7 rocket has been documented in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and the Gaza Strip, said N.R. Jenzen-Jones, of the Armament Research Services consultancy.

“North Korea has long supported Palestinian militant groups, and North Korean arms have previously been documented amongst interdicted supplies,” Mr Jenzen-Jones said.

Use of North Korean weapons ‘not a surprise’

Hamas has published images of training drills showing fighters armed with rocket-propelled grenades with a distinctive red stripe across its warhead, and other design elements matching the F-7, said Matt Schroeder, a senior researcher with Small Arms Survey and the author of a guide to Pyongyang’s light weapons.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2...el-attack/

[The Architect Of Fate]

No, between the fighting parties.

Any nuclear business will be caused by the U.S and Israel; period.

Again unless Hamas gets its hands on a dirty bomb you can deny this possibility all you like it's still possible

Hamas has pursued the development of such a weapon. This is a fact

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

When have you seen me defend Israel’s actions in this mess?? Criticizing Hamas is NOT the same as defending Israel, and you’re a cunt for accusing me of it.

Boru

You seriously don't get the shock and disgust I have right now after Israel killed 3000 civilians in Gaza in just 1 week, bombed a hospital full of children and sick people sending the body parts of 500 innocents to spray the walls -literally; this is what eye witnesses said about the aftermath. !

That's not what I asked you.

Of course you feel shock and disgust over the insane butchery of 3000 Palestinian civilians - why wouldn't you? My issue is that you don't seem to feel the same way about butchered Israeli civilians. Just the opposite - you seem positively giddy over it.

And Israel should be roundly and soundly condemned for their actions in Gaza. You'll never hear me say otherwise.

Boru

edit: You're still a cunt.

[FrustratedFool]

So, just to clarify, winter: you believe an army from one of Israel's enemies will march into Jerusalem sometime over the next 4 weeks?

[Leonardo17]

 
   These twisted ideologies should be checked in Israel too. The world has become too small for conflicts to go on indefinitely. And again: Why is it that people cannot simply live there without murdering one-another as they did so for centuries before that? – Scriptures contain many clues on this issue if only people would know a little better
 

Perhaps you should ask whether or not that's true before you ask why?

Wouldn't be the first time "scripture" contained many clues™ to something tragically false.

No what I mean is this: (I’ll be talking about what I am remembering from a sadhguru video I watched very recently):
 

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Religion is an inner journey. Those “elements” I am talking about are the kind of things one discovers within himself / herself. All religions in the world have started as “methods to uncover this inner / higher realities”. I won’t be dragging this subject on and on. But that’s the real issue in religion.
 
Yet, taking these steps inward is not as easily said than done. It’s like going to the gym. The moment you stop you are back to where you started within a week or so. What’s easier is to project everything outside. To treat Holy Scriptures like a cookbook of some sort and start telling other what they should do and what they should not do.
 
Again: True religion mean the exploration of inner realities and it can only be undertaken by the individual himself or herself. Doing the opposite means that religion becomes everything atheists say religion is. That’s why I never argue with atheists on these subjects. All of it is true.
 
So: Sadhguru in one place goes as far as saying: “Let us take all holy scriptures, let’s take out everything from them than can be interpreted by some people as an incitation to violence against all those who are not like us”
 
- This is completely taboo in a Muslim context of course. It would be seen as a sacrilege by almost everyone.
 

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Still one of our main issue is this: Intelligent people are people who think before and after they act. Ignorant people are people who think less before and after they act. Yet, when the action of a fool is stamped by God, then we have a big problem. Because he won’t be having second thoughts before and after he does whatever he does.

[Leonardo17]

Russia is probably involved in Hamas infiltrating Israeli territories because someone from Netanyahu’s political party is now processing retaliations on Russia:
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/netanyahu-par...07105.html
 
If everyone has his / her fictional interpretation on these issues let me share mine:
 
I think Russia made it look like Prigozhin is dead (The entire Wagner rebellion stuff was a “mise en scene”). Than he simply disappeared with his friends and is still training Hamas militants somewhere even as we speak:

[Leonardo17]

Also: I think that the Palestinian people are simply being ignored. For decades now. Israel is acting in a Zionist perspective. It wants to take all of Palestine. Arab states who were defeated by Israel in the past do care about defeating Israel by using Palestinians as human shield or by supporting groups like Hamas. But there interest in the region is strategical. I don’t think they really care about the Palestinian people themselves. The rest of the world is simply closing their eyes because it’s too far away or it’s something that has nothing to do with their everyday problems.
 

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The simple truth is that: Hamas must be eliminated. A secular Palestinian authority has to be reestablished. Netanyahu’s authoritarian government must go. Than there has to be a two state solution.
 
And again: We as left wing / secular people of the Middle-East are the only ones saying that. Palestinians are truly a group of people who have been abandoned by the entire world. And Hamas + Political Islamic groups / countries etc. are only using the agony of that people for their own schizophrenic / utopian vision of the world.
 
Also: Gaza’s economy is an economy that’s based mainly on foreign aid. Somebody has to take that territory. Or it has to be connected to some other part of the world somehow.
 
People from all parties should be able to look beyond their ego-based approaches like “That’s my sacred temple, No it’s your stretch of land. Oh this is where Jesus carried his cross / No it’s were Muhammad ascended to the sky…”
 

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I do expect 2023 people to be something more than the people in 1000 AD. I think there are solutions if both sides would decide to implement them somehow.