Captain Courage

[Leonardo17]

“That is not ghandis invention. That question was asked centuries before ghandi was a twinkle in some caste lovers eyes, and he got it wrong. Depending on the true end, there may be some wholly disingenuous means to get there. That much is manifestly obvious. The true end..for example, in financial hostage taking... is to make money. Pretending that it's freedom fighting is a great means to achieve that end, even as it's a detriment to the end of freedom. I mean, just roll it around in your mouth. "We take hostages for freedom!".
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   I think it was Gandhi who formulated that one out. If you want positive results, you need positive action. Repression and tyranny will only bring more repression and tyranny. So if you are non-spiritual, you can only admire the truth in this observation.
 

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Ex: Both Turkey and Iran where empires in the beginning of the 19th century. The Iranian Shah (Reza Pahlavi) was an army general who organized a coup against the emperor. Fİrst he wanted to create a republic. The Brits convinced him not to declare a republic, but to be an emperor. He chose the latest thinking it was the best way to modernize Iran (Like Plato’s enlightened king) and here they are purchasing airplanes from the Russians in the end of 2023 CE.
 
 The founder of the Turkish Republic was also an army official who rebelled against the defeated Ottoman Emperor in May 1919. He fought with and for the people (like the leaders of the American and French revolutions) than he did countless things, like modernizing + industrializing the country, adopting the Latin alphabet, giving women the right to vote, adopting secular penal code, improving the education system, he sort of spent the entire length of his life saying out positive / (satvic) actions for the benefit of the Turkish people.
 
   Gandhi was a later and more radical “man-of-action” like that. And Marthin Luther King Jr. has even visited India in 1959 (he didn’t meet him directly. Gandhi died in January 1948). To learn these Gandhian principles of Non-violence. And with these totally satvic principles there was the Civils Rights Movement in the US. The Independence of Rhodesia (Zimbabwe), the End of Apartheid in South-Africa and even the end of the Vietnam War (that cost the live of 60,000 young Americans).
 
But I will still debate on the definition of the term “Satvic action for satvic results”. I’ve heard that the Brits were fighting a 17th century war in the 18th century during the American War of Independence. They would stay there in columns like true gentleman while the American were using hit and run tactics etc. jumping on the red-coat from the top of trees with axes etc. (with methods that were learned from indigenous Americans).
 
So my theory is that the “your means are a demonstration of you aim” does not exclude waging a war or using asymmetric warfare tactics. I’m even ready to tolerate some “urban guerrilla techniques” that were used by leftist groups in the 60’s and 70’s.
 
But the taking of child hostages and/or very old hostages is something that clearly reflects a loss of humanity on the part of the perpetrators.

   For Old people: In all cultures, elderly people are treated with some amount of respect. These are people who have all their experiences behind them now and are preparing for the next stage. So they are defenseless in some way and in most eastern and western cultures we know that we have a duty to protect them and accompany them as they are preparing to leave this chapter of their existence.

   As of children: Hamas is said to have made watch these kids’ very violent and horrible videos. So why do we not do such things? It’s because Hyenas don’t do that either. In Hyena packs, the female groups are said to form a protective circle around their cubs just to be sure that they are correctly fed before the male individuals are allowed to eat. So we can say that someone who acts as something that is less than a hyena is probably truly something less than a hyena. (We need to protect the youngsters or we won’t survive as a specie and all that )
 

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So as I said before, there are rules and principles to everything. Someone without rules and principles is probably anything but a “freedom fighter”. This is a matter of pure definition
 

“ Property and/or infrastructure destruction and combat against uniformed agents of the state are not war crimes. The cops can be occupation authorities - take a look at all the russian pows in ukraine that were part of police units. Not equivalent to kidnapping tourists at all. You can hold a piece of the enemy's defense industry and demand the return of prisoners (or...hostages.....). You can offer prisoners in exchange for prisoners (or for hostages)...but you cannot take hostages. As for the ends justifying the means. To a professional uniformed soldier bound by military conventions hostage taking isn't even a means to the desired end, to be justified or considered, in the first place. You help civilians in a warzone like they were your own fucking mother..because but for the grace of god, they might be. You do not snatch them and extort their family members. The kinds of prisoners uniformed professional soldiers take cannot be brought or bought back with mere bribes...or, if we prefer, that's not how that's supposed to work, lol. We all fall down, ofc. To use a really blunt example. The seals did not bring an atm reader to the raid of osama bin ladens compound. No one has ever been released from gitmo because their wife came up with the proper amount of cash in a gofundme push.
 
It's not obvious how any of this leads into the commies getting something wrong or the hippies getting something right then wrong. You'd have to flesh that one out, I think.”

 

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- I’m not a part of that generation so I don’t know all the details. But in the 60’s and 70’s there were these highly idealistic left wing groups and their radical kind of action did include some non-conventional tactics. Some of them even kidnapped diplomatic foreign personnel to force the government to release some of their “comrades” in government prisons. And the Black Panthers did shoot and kill police officers (being tired of non-violent protest etc.). The PLO kidnaped and took hostage Israeli Olympic competitors in 1973.

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I’m not promoting any of this. I’m only saying that these “freedom fighters” (they were freedom fighters for some people at least) did not target kids and the elderly. That was my point