Lazy Atheism?

[Fireball]

......what does that have to do with anything?

Other than being the factual and practical answer to all of those questions posed, nothing at all.  We tend to ask anachronistic questions when we get into these discussions.  We ask why jesus (of the bible) didn't do this or didn't do that.  Ignoring the obvious fact that actual responsibility for x cannot be validly placed on a composite character.  It's a fan-fic debate at that point.  Same with god.  Why didn't sauron do this or gandalf do that.  Conflating questions about an actual jesus, or an actual god - with questions about literary construction, tradition, the accidents of history....and in most cases specific authors or communities for which there is a readily apparent explanation that has nothing to do with jesus or gods.    

Even if we assume there was a real boy we are entirely certain that multiple other people crammed words into his mouth.  Words that spoke to them, to their communities, to the world they wished to see.  That there were differences between these communities, disputes and disagreements that would take centuries to be resolved into something like the consensus we see today..which happens to have some 30k schismatic distinctions and a rapidly growing set of new age interpretations overtaking even that.

 I can still see Vorly saying, "Schism! Schism!".

[Thumpalumpacus]

Because the people who wrote his character were perverted kink shamers.  Another mystery solved.

But it's not even just kink stuff that's condemned. It's pretty much any sexual activity at all.

Laying guilt upon the one of the most basic human drives is a good way to control people.

[Ahriman]

But it's not even just kink stuff that's condemned. It's pretty much any sexual activity at all.

Laying guilt upon the one of the most basic human drives is a good way to control people.

No doubt, but WHY do they want to control people? To what end?

[Belacqua]

Laying guilt upon the one of the most basic human drives is a good way to control people.

No doubt, but WHY do they want to control people? To what end?

We have to control our sexual drives. It's part of civilization. 

Freud's book Civilization and its Discontents is really good on this, and pessimistic. He points to an unresolvable paradox: to live happily we need civilization, and civilization requires control of nature, including human nature. But since humans are pretty much irrational unlimited desiring machines, any control is felt as oppression. 

So we need control to be happy, but we hate it. 

The limits and forms of control change over time. What civilization allows and approves of changes. And of course which institutions get to impose that control is also a matter of ongoing debate.

[Ahriman]

No doubt, but WHY do they want to control people? To what end?

We have to control our sexual drives. It's part of civilization. 

Freud's book Civilization and its Discontents is really good on this, and pessimistic. He points to an unresolvable paradox: to live happily we need civilization, and civilization requires control of nature, including human nature. But since humans are pretty much irrational unlimited desiring machines, any control is felt as oppression. 

So we need control to be happy, but we hate it. 

The limits and forms of control change over time. What civilization allows and approves of changes. And of course which institutions get to impose that control is also a matter of ongoing debate.

Well I don't need control to be happy, and I find it detestable that anyone would. And sexuality is absolutely NOT the kind of thing that should be controlled.

[The Grand Nudger]

As we all now know, two dudes kissing was the end of civilization.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Laying guilt upon the one of the most basic human drives is a good way to control people.

No doubt, but WHY do they want to control people? To what end?

There's that whole donation thing, priests getting solid payday for, eh, talking one day a week for an hour. There's also larger control matters in that the more money a religious org garners, the more political power it wields.

It's not that mysterious.

[Thumpalumpacus]

What civilization allows and approves of changes. And of course which institutions get to impose that control is also a matter of ongoing debate.

I'd like to see the argument justifying any institutional control of such private behavior as one's sex life.

[arewethereyet]

Part of the controlling of sex is the patriarchy thing. Have to keep those womenfolk in line because she can prove a baby is hers but a man can't be absolutely sure a baby is his unless he controls the woman completely. Pretty basic stuff.

The idea mentioned a few posts back that we have to control sexual drives because it's the civilized thing to do, is a bullshit statement. No, we don't necessarily want people humping one another on the bench in front of Bath and Body Works. I get the feeling that the author of this thought doesn't understand that things like rape and other sexual assaults haven't got a thing to do with sex drive and everything to do with power, control, and violence.

The only reason I can see people getting all weird about same sex relationships is that they think it's icky. Same sex relations aren't a new thing. It's more control.

Freud - pffft. Someone read a book, it must be true.

[brewer]

We have to control our sexual drives. It's part of civilization. 

Freud's book Civilization and its Discontents is really good on this, and pessimistic. He points to an unresolvable paradox: to live happily we need civilization, and civilization requires control of nature, including human nature. But since humans are pretty much irrational unlimited desiring machines, any control is felt as oppression. 

So we need control to be happy, but we hate it. 

The limits and forms of control change over time. What civilization allows and approves of changes. And of course which institutions get to impose that control is also a matter of ongoing debate.

Well I don't need control to be happy, and I find it detestable that anyone would. And sexuality is absolutely NOT the kind of thing that should be controlled.

Your lack of control is exactly what makes you unhappy. Kind of sad that you're unable to see it.