Hello soulcalm17,
So, we were having a discussion on Youtube and since my and your posts get continually deleted, I suggested that we hold the conversation here since there are no robots.
You aren’t the first one who has mentioned this to me.
Anyway, welcome to the forum.
We don’t need to copy all our replies from Youtube. That would take too much time and I think it is against the rules.
Anyone can respond here, whatever their beliefs are. It’s totally open.
So, here was my last reply on Youtube.
I asked a few questions previously, but you did not answer them.
I am still not sure what that is about. Some blind people came to Mohammed. What did these blind people say? And then, I guess you are saying that the jewish god said something. What exactly did the alien say?
I admit that there are more atheists there than there are theists but there are a couple of muslims that can help you out. If you are worried about being bogged down. I can tell other people to not offend you. I can tell other people not to respond. In general, people are respectful there. Some try to be funny. I can tell them to not make funny comments. Whatever you wish.
I think email is not good since I would like the stuff that I write to be public.
I think what happened was that as humans were evolving, at some point, a first human asked the Big questions: What am I? Why do I exist? What is all this stuff around me? etc.
There has to be a first person since we know that humans have not existed forever. There was a first human that washed his face. There was a first human that cut his fair. There was a first human that made a transistor.
Unfortunately, history does not record who some of those firsts are. It comes from the deep past. We call this part pre-history.
It is postulated that at some point in time, humans wondered why it rained, what makes the river move, what makes thunder, what makes the wind, what moves the animals, what makes a plant grow. So, primitive humans thought that there was a spirit in these things. There is a spirit that makes a volcano grumble. There is a spirit that makes the wind/air move. So, there are things that animate these objects. This is called animism. This concept exists in certain native american religions.
Human life was not easy. Life was very hard back then. Humans felt powerless and so they began to ask the spirits for help. Over time, some cultures called these guys the “gods”.
This concept is present in pretty much all religion. You probably do it as well. I did it as well.
When we want something or when there is a problem, we talk to the gods and ask for their help. We wonder why the problem is happening to us? Did we do something wrong?
In the jewish flavor of religions, humans have often interpreted natural events as punishment by the alien god thing. They thought the alien caused diseases, a failed crop, your livestock gets sick by a mysterious disease, a young child dies, hurricanes, volcanoes. They even though that childbirth is painful for women bc it is a punishment. Ever read Genesis?
For your question about fundamental matter vs an alien. You can postulate those 2 possibilities but the alien would be made of some fundamental matter as well since an alien is a complex machine.
A 3 rd possibility is a magical box that is essentially a printer. It doesn’t do much of thinking. It just outputs a universe.
Evolution theory is not random. There is a certain logic to it. The creatures or plants that fit well into their environment do well. There is sufficient evidence to back this up and that is why it is called Evolution theory.
There is no observation of any aliens. No observations of aliens talking to humans. No observation of aliens making a planet, Star or anything. If there is such a documentary that shows video evidence or an interview, let me know.
There are claims from quite a while ago when humans were primitive and did not have much answers. Modern science changed all that.
You said that theists postulate that the alien is outside the universe. That’s nice but we need evidence that there are other universes. We need samples of matter and energy from the other universe.
For now, what you are doing is called special pleading.
So, we were having a discussion on Youtube and since my and your posts get continually deleted, I suggested that we hold the conversation here since there are no robots.
You aren’t the first one who has mentioned this to me.
Anyway, welcome to the forum.
We don’t need to copy all our replies from Youtube. That would take too much time and I think it is against the rules.
Anyone can respond here, whatever their beliefs are. It’s totally open.
So, here was my last reply on Youtube.
I asked a few questions previously, but you did not answer them.
I am still not sure what that is about. Some blind people came to Mohammed. What did these blind people say? And then, I guess you are saying that the jewish god said something. What exactly did the alien say?
I admit that there are more atheists there than there are theists but there are a couple of muslims that can help you out. If you are worried about being bogged down. I can tell other people to not offend you. I can tell other people not to respond. In general, people are respectful there. Some try to be funny. I can tell them to not make funny comments. Whatever you wish.
I think email is not good since I would like the stuff that I write to be public.
I think what happened was that as humans were evolving, at some point, a first human asked the Big questions: What am I? Why do I exist? What is all this stuff around me? etc.
There has to be a first person since we know that humans have not existed forever. There was a first human that washed his face. There was a first human that cut his fair. There was a first human that made a transistor.
Unfortunately, history does not record who some of those firsts are. It comes from the deep past. We call this part pre-history.
It is postulated that at some point in time, humans wondered why it rained, what makes the river move, what makes thunder, what makes the wind, what moves the animals, what makes a plant grow. So, primitive humans thought that there was a spirit in these things. There is a spirit that makes a volcano grumble. There is a spirit that makes the wind/air move. So, there are things that animate these objects. This is called animism. This concept exists in certain native american religions.
Human life was not easy. Life was very hard back then. Humans felt powerless and so they began to ask the spirits for help. Over time, some cultures called these guys the “gods”.
This concept is present in pretty much all religion. You probably do it as well. I did it as well.
When we want something or when there is a problem, we talk to the gods and ask for their help. We wonder why the problem is happening to us? Did we do something wrong?
In the jewish flavor of religions, humans have often interpreted natural events as punishment by the alien god thing. They thought the alien caused diseases, a failed crop, your livestock gets sick by a mysterious disease, a young child dies, hurricanes, volcanoes. They even though that childbirth is painful for women bc it is a punishment. Ever read Genesis?
For your question about fundamental matter vs an alien. You can postulate those 2 possibilities but the alien would be made of some fundamental matter as well since an alien is a complex machine.
A 3 rd possibility is a magical box that is essentially a printer. It doesn’t do much of thinking. It just outputs a universe.
Evolution theory is not random. There is a certain logic to it. The creatures or plants that fit well into their environment do well. There is sufficient evidence to back this up and that is why it is called Evolution theory.
There is no observation of any aliens. No observations of aliens talking to humans. No observation of aliens making a planet, Star or anything. If there is such a documentary that shows video evidence or an interview, let me know.
There are claims from quite a while ago when humans were primitive and did not have much answers. Modern science changed all that.
You said that theists postulate that the alien is outside the universe. That’s nice but we need evidence that there are other universes. We need samples of matter and energy from the other universe.
For now, what you are doing is called special pleading.
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