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**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: November 13, 2024 at 3:15 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

Excellent, and from that point of agreement we can both probably also agree that americans ideas about a horde of invading migrants stealing all the jobs americans don't want is also ridiculous. That's not happening, it's not a thing. I asked ai to make me an image of a suburb eating a farm while a desert city drank water...somehow, even though I see exactly how the ai got it wrong, it made an image that feels even more right.

Getting rid of all the mexicans is a godamned terrible idea, but we will find no shortage of locals to do what hand picking remains. The last time this happened we were gifted with an endless parade of white guys sitting on top of tractors saying no one would do the work. For whatever reason, we bought it, even though white guys already do most of the work..farm programs being the longest running and most consequential white welfare programs the us has ever conceived of. They don't want to pay anyone for that work that remains because it costs alot...and is only a fraction of the actual labor. Holding onto a permanent second class facilitates that singular aim.

**BrianSoddingBoru4** · November 13, 2024 at 3:23 pm

*yawn*

Boru

Asmodeus · November 13, 2024 at 6:03 pm

(November 13, 2024 at 2:51 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Farm jobs and farm labor are not the same thing Brian. If you judge farm labor by the number of people doing things you will have missed the point of mechanization. Additionally, migrant labor and documented or undocumented illegals are not the same people. Migrant labor is going the way of the dodo.

Quote:According to the National Agricultural Workers Survey (NAWS), around 15% of farmworkers in the United States are considered "migrant" labor, meaning they travel a significant distance to find farm work, typically at least 75 miles within a year to obtain a farm job; this percentage has been declining in recent years.

Curious how they arrive at just 75 miles being a "migrant" distance for stats purposes. If that's the case, then many workers with long commutes into a city for jobs would be considered migrant workers, correct?

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: November 13, 2024 at 6:46 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

It's a consequence of geography, climate zones, and averages. A huge bit of it centered on california but extending all along the border, where the majority of the crops that use hand labor are grown as well as the greatest concentration of farm operators too poor for full mechanization just so happens to be. You could get even more granular when you look at lot work, which strongly correlates to migrant work. That is to say people who do not have to be paid minimum wage either by law or the realities of a prevailing wage and travel long distances for the privilege. If you have to go 75 miles plus for $3/hr no law is going to stop you from doing that (and, from the other end, if you're the operator doing that, no law and not even loyalty to maga will stop you from doing that).

As for whether or not that makes other workers migrant workers, what is there to do but say lies, damned lies, and statistics? About 3%?