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RE: The Resurrection
February 10, 2025 at 5:13 pm
Which is great for the resurrection, lol.
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RE: The Resurrection
February 10, 2025 at 6:18 pm
(February 10, 2025 at 4:13 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (February 10, 2025 at 11:23 am)Paleophyte Wrote: Really? Google "Divine Antonym". My first three hits were "mortal", "human", and "mundane". So clearly there are people who believe that humans aren't gods and gods aren't human. Imagine that.
We're not talking about antonyms here. There's no such thing as an antonym for cat, and yet dog and bird are together all equal members of some category.
No? We're talking about things being mutually exclusive, which is what antonyms are. You can either be human or you can be divine. You can't be both because they're the opposite of one another.
Not sure why you're having trouble with this. It seems pretty straightforward.
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RE: The Resurrection
February 10, 2025 at 6:33 pm
(February 10, 2025 at 6:18 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Not sure why you're having trouble with this. It seems pretty straightforward.
Because it's a silly objection. Humans throughout history have made gods out of wood, cats, the sun, thunder, on and on. All of these objects have been compatible with divinity.
But somehow you think the Christian God, one of the most abstract dieties of any religion, can't also be a man? I don't even understand the grounds of the objection.
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RE: The Resurrection
February 10, 2025 at 6:36 pm
At least cats, the sun, and thunder are real. The spirit ghost god man - isn't.
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RE: The Resurrection
February 10, 2025 at 7:00 pm
(February 10, 2025 at 6:33 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (February 10, 2025 at 6:18 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Not sure why you're having trouble with this. It seems pretty straightforward.
Because it's a silly objection. Humans throughout history have made gods out of wood, cats, the sun, thunder, on and on. All of these objects have been compatible with divinity.
But somehow you think the Christian God, one of the most abstract dieties of any religion, can't also be a man? I don't even understand the grounds of the objection.
Are you suggesting that yours is a god that humans made? You don't understand that abstract god =/= man?
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RE: The Resurrection
February 10, 2025 at 7:16 pm
(February 10, 2025 at 7:00 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: You don't understand that abstract god =/= man?
No; explain it.
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RE: The Resurrection
February 10, 2025 at 7:33 pm
(February 10, 2025 at 7:16 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (February 10, 2025 at 7:00 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: You don't understand that abstract god =/= man?
No; explain it.
One is an abstract, the other is concrete. One is a god, the other is a mortal.
But hey, others have said this better:
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RE: The Resurrection
February 10, 2025 at 7:40 pm
(February 10, 2025 at 7:33 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: One is an abstract, the other is concrete
And? Is your argument that you can't possess both abstract and concrete qualities? What is your argument here?
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RE: The Resurrection
February 10, 2025 at 7:48 pm
(February 10, 2025 at 4:40 pm)Alan V Wrote: (February 10, 2025 at 4:31 pm)Angrboda Wrote: Grounded in observation is worth nothing unless empiricism is entirely grounded in observation. Beliefs about what is or isn't knowledge are philosophical by their very nature. You could be sitting in your basement, or you could be hallucinating, or you could be dreaming. Observation by itself isn't knowledge except in the most colloquial sense of the word. It's not even information. True and false perceptions may appear to consciousness to be the same, so the act of perception doesn't become knowledge all by itself. You seem to be of the opinion that there's some bright line between having an opinion about observation and "doing philosophy." There isn't. They are just different forms of the same thing. And the former is typically just an inferior version of the latter.
What you say may be true of philosophers, but it is not true of empiricists and materialists, who define knowledge more in terms of probabilities rather than certainties.
Empiricists and materialists are just types of philosophers.
As for the rest, Angrboda is doing a fine job of addressing this.
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RE: The Resurrection
February 10, 2025 at 7:52 pm
(February 10, 2025 at 7:40 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: And? Is your argument that you can't possess both abstract and concrete qualities? What is your argument here?
Not my mythos, not my argument. Just saying that your man-god doesn't make sense to me.
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