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The fine tuning of god
#21
RE: The fine tuning of god
(January 18, 2026 at 10:43 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:



But I'm sure that it's all about the monkeys.

That's all very impressive work by those monkeys, but how does this pertain to the fine tuning of god?
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#22
RE: The fine tuning of god
(January 19, 2026 at 9:00 am)LoneWolf Wrote:
(January 18, 2026 at 10:43 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: But I'm sure that it's all about the monkeys.

That's all very impressive work by those monkeys, but how does this pertain to the fine tuning of god?

We should discriminate between the fine tuned, anthropocentric universe of theists and any discussion of fine tuning by physicists. The first is the target of Paleophyte's post, and he easily debunks the notion. The second is still a matter of debate, and leads to speculations about a multiverse in which our universe just happens to allow for life, although in very narrow ranges.

Stephen Hawking didn't like the multiverse hypothesis, since he thought it could never be scientific. Therefore, until the end of his life, he sought a way to explain the apparent fine tuning for life in our universe without resorting to such speculations. His associate Thomas Hertog outlined Hawking's thinking on the subject in his book On the Origin Of Time: Stephen Hawking's Final Theory.
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RE: The fine tuning of god
(January 19, 2026 at 9:00 am)LoneWolf Wrote:
(January 18, 2026 at 10:43 pm)Paleophyte Wrote:



But I'm sure that it's all about the monkeys.

That's all very impressive work by those monkeys, but how does this pertain to the fine tuning of god?

It would seem to indicate that this universe isn't fine-tuned for the existence of monkeys with delusions of grandeur. And since we've dreamt up something like 32,000 different deities, it gets difficult to suggest that god is particularly fine-tuned either. We have clear evidence that we've created a multi-deity, and none of them are fine. A 'many gods' explanation if you will.
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RE: The fine tuning of god
(January 19, 2026 at 8:35 am)Alan V Wrote: [quote='Paleophyte' pid='2247123' dateline='1768790620']
This is OJ 287, the binary black hole at the center of the galaxy of the same name. The larger of the pair has a mass about 10,000,000,000 times that of our sun. The smaller is about 100,000,000 solar masses. The smaller of the two (secondary) has a Schwarzchild radius of ~2 AU and its orbit crosses the primary's accretion disk twice every 12 years. 

So twice every 12 years, a black hole with a maw the size of Mars' orbit around our sun moving at roughly a tenth the speed of light zips into the accretion disk. As you might expect, that's an energetic event, liberating energies similar to those of a supernova.

Some time within the next 10,000 years or so, incredibly soon on cosmological scales, these two black holes will spiral into one another and merge. That event is expected to convert something in the rough neighborhood of 50,000,000 times the mass of the sun into energy, most of it gravitational. This is an event that will make any "apocalypse" that our species ever dreamt up look laughable. Terms like "relativistic blowtorch" are accurately applied.

I'm glad that think is 4 billion light years away.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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