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#91
RE: Progress...
(June 5, 2011 at 2:29 pm)Zenith Wrote: Fairytales will never die. Instead, they will only be replaced with other ones. If you think about the modern religions (satanist religions like the church of satan; wicca; Kabbalah; Scientology, etc.) which are also full of fairytales and are modern (based on science - some even use that word as the foundation of the institution) then it is not hard to imagine that even before the old religions die (if they would indeed die) others will already take their place, and you'll have one fairytale replaced by another - big deal.

religion=/=philosophies
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#92
RE: Progress...
(June 5, 2011 at 3:23 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: I don't believe that new religions will keep coming about. Yes, currently new religions have sprung up, but they are not taking hold the way they did 2, 3, 4000 years ago. Mankind is slowly wising up. Eventually, I truly believe that religion will die off and the miniscule amount of cults that pop their little heads up here and there will never have any lasting affect on the whole of humanity.

But we got a long way to go.

Well, they might not call themselves "religions" but still there are possibilities - and really, if a few decades a new religion was born, is it really impossible to appear a new one after a century?

as about "the minuscule amount of cults" - you see, the same were both Christianity and Islam. But there were factors that influenced their spreading: politics & warfare. You only need to get those people of those cults as leaders of the country (president, etc.) and they will struggle to enlighten the world with their new 'philosophies'.

And... do you really think the majority of people - even atheists - are too smart to be 'caught' by something? There are stupidities like Zeitgeist, reptilians, even zodiac, things that tell you that you can do impossible things by sending energies into the universe, mother nature & eastern influences (hindu/budism), which, if covered by the label "SCIENCE" (even if most of what they say cannot be proven, and thus, practically unscientific), it has a strong effect on people. And it has a MUCH GREATER influence if it appears on TV and 'preached' by some important figures: the "spirit of the crowd" issue - the mob follows what it sees to be the fashion, the majority, and its leaders. So if you get some personalities that preach it, you make it popular (publish it on TV and other stuff to appear as the "accepted" version), use the words "science" and "scientific" extensively throughout the video, and label it as a "scientific discovery/explanation/whatever" people will all bow down to it and consider it "the truth finally divulged" or something.
(June 5, 2011 at 3:51 pm)Ashendant Wrote:
(June 5, 2011 at 2:29 pm)Zenith Wrote: Fairytales will never die. Instead, they will only be replaced with other ones. If you think about the modern religions (satanist religions like the church of satan; wicca; Kabbalah; Scientology, etc.) which are also full of fairytales and are modern (based on science - some even use that word as the foundation of the institution) then it is not hard to imagine that even before the old religions die (if they would indeed die) others will already take their place, and you'll have one fairytale replaced by another - big deal.

religion=/=philosophies

well,
The Church of Satan - a religion (you can find everywhere that it is so, even in the satanic bible it is written so);
Wicca - Neopaganism - a religion (you can find that it is so)
Scientology - a religion

neither the church of satan nor scientology preaches a god to worship, yet they are religions.

As about "what is a religion"?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion Wrote:1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
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any formal or institutionalized expression of such belief
Is there really a big difference between a philosophy and a religion?

I usually use the word "religion" as being a philosophy/belief that is institutionalized, and therefore has adepts and has leaders/teachers who 'explain' those beliefs (so another "follow the crowd - follow the leader" connection happens).

And as such, even Kabbalah is a religion, though they call it a "science of reality" where they preach that Moses has split the waters in two with his mind and tell you how to reach a higher level of spirituality to be able to do such things yourself, and they believe in a Force called "the Creator", etc. It's institutionalized, it has leaders, it has followers, it has teachings, and even songs & comic books for children!
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#93
RE: Progress...
(June 8, 2011 at 4:58 pm)Zenith Wrote:
(June 5, 2011 at 3:23 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: I don't believe that new religions will keep coming about. Yes, currently new religions have sprung up, but they are not taking hold the way they did 2, 3, 4000 years ago. Mankind is slowly wising up. Eventually, I truly believe that religion will die off and the miniscule amount of cults that pop their little heads up here and there will never have any lasting affect on the whole of humanity.

But we got a long way to go.

Well, they might not call themselves "religions" but still there are possibilities - and really, if a few decades a new religion was born, is it really impossible to appear a new one after a century?

as about "the minuscule amount of cults" - you see, the same were both Christianity and Islam. But there were factors that influenced their spreading: politics & warfare. You only need to get those people of those cults as leaders of the country (president, etc.) and they will struggle to enlighten the world with their new 'philosophies'.

And... do you really think the majority of people - even atheists - are too smart to be 'caught' by something? There are stupidities like Zeitgeist, reptilians, even zodiac, things that tell you that you can do impossible things by sending energies into the universe, mother nature & eastern influences (hindu/budism), which, if covered by the label "SCIENCE" (even if most of what they say cannot be proven, and thus, practically unscientific), it has a strong effect on people. And it has a MUCH GREATER influence if it appears on TV and 'preached' by some important figures: the "spirit of the crowd" issue - the mob follows what it sees to be the fashion, the majority, and its leaders. So if you get some personalities that preach it, you make it popular (publish it on TV and other stuff to appear as the "accepted" version), use the words "science" and "scientific" extensively throughout the video, and label it as a "scientific discovery/explanation/whatever" people will all bow down to it and consider it "the truth finally divulged" or something.

Like I said. Little religions and cults will probably always stick their little heads up for the rest of time, but there is no structured religion that has come about in the modern world that has taken hold anywhere even close to the way Christianity took hold 2000 years ago. And that's my whole point. I'm not so stupid as to think that future generations won't think up another ludicrous god, what I am saying, that I think you're missing - is that we have the proof that humanity is slowly wising up. Scientology is NOT sweeping the globe. The Davidian Compound in Waco did not have an effect on the faith of even the neighboring city. If we can destroy Christianity and Islam in the next 500 years, we have a real chance at becoming an entire planet of MOSTLY enlightened people.

It is possible. The disease of religion can be cured.
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#94
RE: Progress...
Nothing lasts forever, including religion hopefully.
HuhA man is born to a virgin mother, lives, dies, comes alive again and then disappears into the clouds to become his Dad. How likely is that?
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