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We should listen to this
#21
RE: We should listen to this
reverendjeremiah said: "The only problem is that big pharma and insurance will NEVER, EVER allow drugs to be legalised. Do you have any idea on how much big pharma makes off of pre-employment drug screening alone? 30 to 60 bucks a pop. Everytime I go in for one there is a constant line of 10 to 20 people waiting to take one."

The US gov could benefit from the taxation of legalized drugs. However, if we were to use Portugal as a model of things to come, that would tell us that there would be a loss of revenue in a short time. Pharmaceutical companies would suffer heavy losses, which will keep their lobbyists strictly opposed to the concept of legalization. Police Departments would get less money to operate, ( no longer having drug enforcement units), and the DEA agents would be out of their gov jobs! ( these are just a few effects that come to mind )
Whereas, they can continue to divert tax dollars to the "supposed" war on drugs, and keep billions of dollars drained from the taxes for the drug war. We all know that a large percentage of the tax dollars manage to fall into someones back pocket before they reach their supposed destination. This windfall would disappear if the drugs were legalized. Also, as the model predicts, rehab centers would start costing the gov 1000s% what they do now. The newly found tax revenue would probably not cover the cost, and as more people quit, the revenue would decrease even more, while the costs of rehab would sky rocket! I myself, believe that Darwin would eventually "take out the trash", and those hard core druggies would pass into the pages of history, leaving behind a legacy of failure, loss of self respect, and loss of other's respect. They would become the poster children for a new drugless society. Only this time around, it would be an individual's decision, not a gov one. Take away the risk, and there will be no thrill left to it. The "Bad Boys" of society would have to find something else to do to be "Bad".
Just as there were no more "Speak Easys" when prohibition ended, there would be no more dealers, or "crack houses" if it were legal. That is, as long as the gov supplied dope were the same quality as the cartel's, and it was in ample supply. Also, the central American, and south American cartels would be out of business, because we would now be free to grow and produce our own supplies locally. So now, what would THEY do? !!!
Our gov would probably start sending billions of dollars of aid to those poor out of work cartel personnel, and their decimated govs. ( More money we cannot afford to spend )
I would say go ahead and legalize, refuse to send aid to countries that supported themselves by selling dope here, keep the quality and quantity up, ( wiping out the competition ) and put ALL the taxed proceeds to the rehab facilities at first. The rehab need would dwindle down soon enough, with some help from Darwin, and everything would eventually level out. I predict that we would see a dramatic drop in drug use, as the only present model depicts, and we would save billions in the long run. Then they put that money to other uses, like border protection, since the illegal influx would grow exponentially, due to loss of work down south of the border.
Well, I said my piece, I hope it doesn't sound too much like rambling.
"Why do they serve applesauce at church socials?" DocFNT
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#22
RE: We should listen to this
Ashendant Wrote:Nah, it's just that our laws that ignore the consumer, and hit the dealers directly

"Doctors are just dealers for pharmaceutical companies with a higher mark-up."-South of Nowhere

Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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#23
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(June 4, 2011 at 5:26 am)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:
Ashendant Wrote:Nah, it's just that our laws that ignore the consumer, and hit the dealers directly

"Doctors are just dealers for pharmaceutical companies with a higher mark-up."-South of Nowhere

"We are all dealers of something"-Me
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#24
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Ashendant Wrote:"We are all dealers of something"-Me

Then I am the death dealer of the disobedient living Heart

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkbOGaJqJmg

No, i have no idea why I did that.
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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#25
RE: We should listen to this
(June 4, 2011 at 5:51 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:
Ashendant Wrote:"We are all dealers of something"-Me

Then I am the death dealer of the disobedient living Heart

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkbOGaJqJmg

No, i have no idea why I did that.

Disney always had the best songs
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#26
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As to drugs.

Legalize, legisalate and tax.

At the moment the drug billions go to criminals, why cant that money go to taxes?
Deaths would be rarer as well because the legal drugs would have to meet a certain standard and not be cut with rat poison or whatever.



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#27
RE: We should listen to this
During prohibition, the government mandated the addition of various disfiguring toxins to alcohol to 'dissuade' people from drinking.

Obviously money is not an issue when poisoning your own is A-OK.

REF: http://www.slate.com/id/2245188/
Quote:"The government knows it is not stopping drinking by putting poison in alcohol," New York City medical examiner Charles Norris said at a hastily organized press conference. "[Y]et it continues its poisoning processes, heedless of the fact that people determined to drink are daily absorbing that poison. Knowing this to be true, the United States government must be charged with the moral responsibility for the deaths that poisoned liquor causes, although it cannot be held legally responsible."

His department issued warnings to citizens, detailing the dangers in whiskey circulating in the city: "[P]ractically all the liquor that is sold in New York today is toxic," read one 1928 alert. He publicized every death by alcohol poisoning. He assigned his toxicologist, Alexander Gettler, to analyze confiscated whiskey for poisons—that long list of toxic materials I cited came in part from studies done by the New York City medical examiner's office.

Norris also condemned the federal program for its disproportionate effect on the country's poorest residents. Wealthy people, he pointed out, could afford the best whiskey available. Most of those sickened and dying were those "who cannot afford expensive protection and deal in low grade stuff."

The only Chuck Norris who existed who actually did something with his fucking life, I might add.
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#28
RE: We should listen to this
I'm actually quite surprised why religion isn't on the bandwagon of legalising of drugs... Would of thought they would be like 'these substances are the creation of god, and we cannot prevent each other from experiencing and using them!'

That said I don't see how we can stop people from smoking plants and eating mushrooms. I think harder drugs like heroin and coke should remain illegal (or heavily regulated), because there are unnatural processes which make them the hard drugs they are. But plants and mushrooms and even other psychadelic naturally occuring substances (like DMT) should be perfectly legal IMO.
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#29
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(June 5, 2011 at 6:41 pm)Napoleon666 Wrote: I'm actually quite surprised why religion isn't on the bandwagon of legalising of drugs... Would of thought they would be like 'these substances are the creation of god, and we cannot prevent each other from experiencing and using them!'

God created those substances to tempt people and test their faith, not to get high with.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#30
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(June 5, 2011 at 7:13 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote: God created those substances to tempt people and test their faith, not to get high with.

Which is why I associate atheism the same way people associate sex, drugs and rock'n'roll. As awesome.
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