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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 5:42 pm
(June 8, 2011 at 1:57 pm)orogenicman Wrote: Quote:How is it possible that mathematics, a product of human thought that is independent of experience, fits so excellently the objects of physical reality?
Who said mathematics is independant of experience? Do we not have to experience a circle before we can mathematically describe it?
Quote:So what does all this have to do with belief in God? Well, these numbers, as well as many other numeric sequences, continually appear in what man calls nature, but what I call Creation.
Some might also call this a slippery slope. Others might call it special pleading. Triangles also appear in nature. It doesn't naturally follow that just because they appear in nature that God somehow exists.
Quote:The spirals of a pinecone have a clockwise rotation, and an anti-clockwise rotation, and in both cases if the number of spirals is counted in each rotation, each count will be a number contained within the Fibonacci series of numbers (8 and 13). The same principle applies to a pineapple as well, but the numbers of spirals are 13 and 23, still numbers appearing in the Fibonacci series.
Are you serious? The spirals in a pinecone are related to its growth. And such a pattern isn't restricted to pinecones. I think you confuse the math with the phenomenon. In other words, the math doesn't bring about the phenomenon. Quite the opposite is true. The math came about to describe the phenomenon. That it does it so elegantly is a testament to the skills of the mathematician to discover the pattern, not to the supposedly magical powers of the universe. Johannes Kepler observed that the ratio of consecutive Fibonacci numbers converges. A pinecone also converges. The comedian Gallagher noted that the pyramids ending in a point at the top indicated a civilation with diminishing goals. 'Oh my that must be proof of the divine!' Oh please!
On so on and so forth.
"Who said mathematics is independant of experience?"
Einstein said this; the rest of your answer will go unread! As you really don't understand what is being said!
Please answer the question in a rational, logical way or move on!
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 5:46 pm
(June 8, 2011 at 4:28 pm)Andrastos Wrote: Please present a logical answer to the question or move on!
You're a goddamned idiot who when it comes to something he can't explain simply declares it must be God.
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 5:46 pm
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(June 8, 2011 at 5:42 pm)Andrastos Wrote: Please answer the question in a rational, logical way or move on!
TRANSLATION:
Say things I want to hear and can agree with, or I'll do this -
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 5:51 pm
(June 8, 2011 at 1:40 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: (June 8, 2011 at 1:30 pm)Andrastos Wrote: (June 8, 2011 at 1:21 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote: 99.9999% of the Universe is hard vacuum.
99.9999% of what's left is flaming nuclear fireballs.
99.9999% of what's left from that is cold interstellar gas.
99.9999% of what's left from that is barren, airless balls of rock or gas giants, neither of which can sustain life.
99.9999% of what's left from that is barely habitable planets like Mars.
Then we come to Earth.
The Creator is an idiot. Or would be if one existed.
LOL your allowed to think that, God gave you free will!
Shitheads don't tell me what to think or allow me to think anything. Neither is god.
No need for anger!
Have you done any reserch on Gods law of Compensation (karma, what you sow you reap) I suggest you do! Planting seeds of abuse will only do yourself harm!
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 5:59 pm
(This post was last modified: June 8, 2011 at 6:01 pm by Doubting Thomas.)
(June 8, 2011 at 4:15 pm)Andrastos Wrote: Ok ever worked on a farm? I did? You know what the term dags mean? Or do we have to go there?
Quote:What about sheep? Seen their wollie ass? Can't be worse than theirs is it?
You're actually proving my point more and more. The fact that any animals have problems with fecal matter remaining on their body after defecating doesn't point toward intelligent design. But especially not humans, since we're supposed to have been created especially by God in his image. Or if you don't follow the "in God's image" line, then the idea that we were supposedly created by some intelligent being for some cosmic purpose.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 6:10 pm
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(June 8, 2011 at 3:29 pm)eric209 Wrote: first of all. argument from authority is a fallacy.
secondly of all. want to know how Einstein felt about religion
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." - Albert Einstein 1954
Actually Christianity as we know it today was created in 300ad by the Israelites to gain control over the masses.
Power, control and money! I know it's been modified over but that the basics!
However some truth can be found in the bible!
Thats very very VERY brief!
(June 8, 2011 at 5:46 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote: (June 8, 2011 at 4:28 pm)Andrastos Wrote: Please present a logical answer to the question or move on!
You're a goddamned idiot who when it comes to something he can't explain simply declares it must be God.
Ok, so you explain it, but you can't! And the truth is NOBODY can unless they come to terms that there is a God!
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 6:15 pm
(June 8, 2011 at 1:21 pm)Gawdzilla Wrote:
Huh? How did you logically get from those figures to concluding the Creator is an idiot?
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 6:15 pm
(June 8, 2011 at 5:59 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: (June 8, 2011 at 4:15 pm)Andrastos Wrote: Ok ever worked on a farm? I did? You know what the term dags mean? Or do we have to go there?
Quote:What about sheep? Seen their wollie ass? Can't be worse than theirs is it?
You're actually proving my point more and more. The fact that any animals have problems with fecal matter remaining on their body after defecating doesn't point toward intelligent design. But especially not humans, since we're supposed to have been created especially by God in his image. Or if you don't follow the "in God's image" line, then the idea that we were supposedly created by some intelligent being for some cosmic purpose.
Your right! A+
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 6:17 pm
(June 8, 2011 at 1:41 pm)Andrastos Wrote: The presence of these mathematical series in creation, because of the order and design, can only suggest an intelligent Designer.
Please explain knees & sinus cavities in relationship to an intelligent designer.
"How is it that a lame man does not annoy us while a lame mind does? Because a lame man recognizes that we are walking straight, while a lame mind says that it is we who are limping." - Pascal
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RE: There has to be a God/Creator
June 8, 2011 at 6:26 pm
(June 8, 2011 at 6:17 pm)Jaysyn Wrote: (June 8, 2011 at 1:41 pm)Andrastos Wrote: The presence of these mathematical series in creation, because of the order and design, can only suggest an intelligent Designer.
Please explain knees & sinus cavities in relationship to an intelligent designer.
What about them?
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