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Poll: Is belief in science faith (therefore religion), or no?
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Confidence in science is not faith.
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Is so.
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Does confidence=faith in Science? (Guardian)
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RE: Does confidence=faith in Science? (Guardian)
(June 11, 2011 at 6:14 am)tackattack Wrote: So who gets to define what faith is. I agree with your post, except the no portion, because I (as a peson with faith in God and faith in science) define faith as in 1 and 2, regardless of the topic (which is where 3 fails. It completely restricts the topic to theology).

My humble opinion ... no one party ever need to define faith. Let the definition apply to the way the statement is used by the party in question.

Fictional Example 1:
1st Party: Every US dollar is faith-backed.
2nd Party: Every US dollar is backed by the gold standard.
In this case neither party truly defines faith. The statement itself defines faith and the 2nd party must concede that "faith" in this case, has no religious implications. The statement qualifies it's own definition. It's self-defining.

Ex. 2
1st party: I have great faith that science will find a cure for tuberculosis.
2nd party: I have faith that god will show us a cure for tuberculosis.
Here again, both statements qualify their own definition. In this case, if the 2nd party claims that the term faith means the same thing for both Parties - than it is clear to me that Party 2 has broken the rule of self-defining statements and has clearly assigned a definition and attached it to the 1st Party. This handicap's the 1st Party unfairly, in favor of the 2nd Party's own agenda.
For a religious group to say, "see, those atheists have faith too ... they just said it themselves", is a blatant twisting of words and a useful yet still illegitimate means to an end.

According to the dictionary, the use of the word defines itself and any party wishing to redefine it is highly suspect ... at least in my mind.

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RE: Does confidence=faith in Science? (Guardian)
The reason why I have confidence in science is it's proven track record in the past, which I can predict with confidence it will continue to make more achievements in the future as it has in the past.

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RE: Does confidence=faith in Science? (Guardian)
And the reason I continue to follow the Abrahamic God of the Bible is because within my life and in the lives of others (who's character I trust) continue to find a usefulness and fulfillment in it. It helps me achieve continuing higher standards personally and I can follow the track record of it.

@Cinjin - agreed. Due to the subject (science) and the location (science) the definition should be anything but 3 as that is limited to theology.

Faith when used towards science and this thread =/= faith in God

However they actual actions and basis for faith have very similar structures as to be irrelevant to the category (science here) normally.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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