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RE: Indoctrination
June 30, 2011 at 3:16 pm
(June 30, 2011 at 3:15 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: I love Occam's Razer, religion doesn't last long against it.
Another good example:
You saw a dark/shady object move through the forest in the distance.
Your assumptions:
*It was a ghost.
*It was a monster running from something.
*It was Jesus running from the Romans
*It was a giant butterly.
Now for the two simplest explanations:
*It was a dark/shady object. You have no evidence to assume it was anything other than a dark/shady object.
*You were hallucinating.
Hm..makes me think of the so called prophets and how they supposedly came with their "revelations." I'm sure they were either "fucking nuts" as minimalist put it, or they had a hidden agenda. Religion to me is the biggest conspiracy in the world.  hock:
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RE: Indoctrination
June 30, 2011 at 3:20 pm
The best conspiracies are the ones in which no one is actually attempting to conspire, and yet the overall effect is identical.
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RE: Indoctrination
June 30, 2011 at 3:23 pm
(June 30, 2011 at 3:16 pm)adam_1992p Wrote: Hm..makes me think of the so called prophets and how they supposedly came with their "revelations." I'm sure they were either "fucking nuts" as minimalist put it, or they had a hidden agenda. Religion to me is the biggest conspiracy in the world. hock:
More like the biggest joke on earth.
When they make so many assumptions and make it more and more complex, the far greater the likely hood of being completely wrong.
There is an extremely high probability of they being completely wrong.
Ha ha! 
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Indoctrination
June 30, 2011 at 3:31 pm
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RE: Indoctrination
June 30, 2011 at 3:47 pm
(June 30, 2011 at 3:31 pm)adam_1992p Wrote: I think the sole reason religious people stick to their convictions so strongly is because of heaven and hell. They so desperately want an after life. They are so afraid of hell and eternal torture. What I hate the most is how theists come to me and say "What's the point of your life?" "It has no meaning." It pisses me off because what they don't realize is that they're life is pointless if they think they're going to heaven forever. They're life on earth because so meaningless they might as well kill themselves. Our lives on the other hand are extremely meaningful because we don't know what happens when we die, most likely nothing. If there was no concept of hell, I'm pretty confident that religion would have a hard time functioning. 
They won't admit it. They do lust for something more after this limited existence ends. The lust for some kind of greater purpose deludes them.
Life isn't meaningless. It is a great chance for each of us to see what it is to exist. To discover who we are and where we came from. As one bright mind put it "we are the cosmos looking at itself".
We can create our own sense of purpose. Mine is to live life to the full whilst helping others to do the same. To experience as much as possible before I become scattered molecules and atoms again.
Your existence is what you make of it. You can either choose to see reality for what it is or hide from it with religion. I hate it when theists say they are in the interest of truth. If they were, they'd have no problem accepting reality around them. Truth seekers will accept the truth no matter how good or evil or disappointing it may be.
The threat of hell only works on those who believe it. Fear is a good motivational tool but not always reliable. Fear turns into hate and hate turns into rebellion.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: Indoctrination
June 30, 2011 at 3:48 pm
beautifully put bro
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RE: Indoctrination
June 30, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Quote:That is true to some extend minimalist but we have to not lose hope.
I'm 62, lad. You keep hoping but I have long since assigned most of humanity to the Stupid Shelf.
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RE: Indoctrination
June 30, 2011 at 8:29 pm
(June 30, 2011 at 2:21 pm)FaithNoMore Wrote: Actually, there is no need to be open to the ridiculous. Any conclusion is ok as long as it's the same as yours. Who are the bad guys again? Remind me.
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RE: Indoctrination
June 30, 2011 at 8:37 pm
Being open minded doesn't mean accepting bullshit, fr0ds.
It means simply holding on long enough to listen to what you have to say, analyze it and then write it off knowingly. Anything less than that is lazy. And closed.
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RE: Indoctrination
July 1, 2011 at 1:21 am
(June 30, 2011 at 8:29 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Any conclusion is ok as long as it's the same as yours.
Nope, not what I said. He doesn't have to be open to anything so ludicrous it couldn't possibly be true, like being hauled up to Valhalla when he dies.
fr0d0 Wrote:Who are the bad guys again? Remind me.
Stupid people.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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