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Save Jesus from Murder
August 2, 2011 at 2:07 am
Hello there, this is only my second post here and I don't have a clear idea of how many christians hang around these parts so this could end up being completely irrelevant. Advanced apologies if that scenario plays true.
I've never received a straight answer on this from a christian. They either go out of their way to qualify a yes with a no, or say 'it would be against god's plan' and stop at that. Maybe I'll get some insight from some ex-christians here at the very least.
If you were present and capable of saving Jesus from his crucifixion - or at least capable of attempting, knowing all you know about the man, that he's your savior - would you try to save him from his fate? And just so it's clear, the question isn't about whether or not it's against god's will or plan, the question is would you save a man from murder that you consider your savior and reason for being?
Of course, this is obviously asked from a strictly christian perspective. But to set the record straight, as an atheist with absolutely no affinity towards Jesus, the answer is crystal clear to me. I'd save the man in a heart beat. So why is it that christians struggle so much in coming up with an answer for this one? Is it selfishness? Would they let the man they consider responsible for their 'salvation' die in order to receive said salvation?
Also, apologies if there's already a thread around here similar to this. I did search for it but came up with nothing.
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RE: Save Jesus from Murder
August 2, 2011 at 2:15 am
(August 2, 2011 at 2:07 am)Veracity Wrote: Hello there, this is only my second post here and I don't have a clear idea of how many christians hang around these parts so this could end up being completely irrelevant. Advanced apologies if that scenario plays true.
I've never received a straight answer on this from a christian. They either go out of their way to qualify a yes with a no, or say 'it would be against god's plan' and stop at that. Maybe I'll get some insight from some ex-christians here at the very least.
If you were present and capable of saving Jesus from his crucifixion - or at least capable of attempting, knowing all you know about the man, that he's your savior - would you try to save him from his fate? And just so it's clear, the question isn't about whether or not it's against god's will or plan, the question is would you save a man from murder that you consider your savior and reason for being?
Of course, this is obviously asked from a strictly christian perspective. But to set the record straight, as an atheist with absolutely no affinity towards Jesus, the answer is crystal clear to me. I'd save the man in a heart beat. So why is it that christians struggle so much in coming up with an answer for this one? Is it selfishness? Would they let the man they consider responsible for their 'salvation' die in order to receive said salvation?
Also, apologies if there's already a thread around here similar to this. I did search for it but came up with nothing.
First of all. If jesus did indeed exist ... and it's unlikely, he wasn't murdered ... he was found guilty in a court of law and executed ... probably for being a conman with 12 accomplices.
Secondly. I would save a victim of murder. I would not save a convicted felon ... not now ... not 2000 years ago.
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RE: Save Jesus from Murder
August 2, 2011 at 2:32 am
Quote:I don't have a clear idea of how many christians hang around these parts
Too many. But I'd love to watch one of them try to answer your question.
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RE: Save Jesus from Murder
August 2, 2011 at 3:12 am
Killing a person, regardless of the circumstance, is necessarily murder (the killing of a person).
I'd save convicted felons any day of the week... especially if I could add them to my power.
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RE: Save Jesus from Murder
August 2, 2011 at 12:28 pm
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RE: Save Jesus from Murder
August 2, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Exactly how much money would we be talking here? I could be swayed either way.
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RE: Save Jesus from Murder
August 2, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Surely a theoretical question such as this ones only purpose is to try and be difficult?
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RE: Save Jesus from Murder
August 2, 2011 at 3:19 pm
It's only a hard question for jesus freaks.
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RE: Save Jesus from Murder
August 2, 2011 at 3:32 pm
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(August 2, 2011 at 3:01 pm)Skeptic Wrote: Surely a theoretical question such as this ones only purpose is to try and be difficult?
It's more to measure the morality of christians, and sometimes their answers (or lackthereof) say a lot about their motivations for being christian. It's not to simply be difficult.
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RE: Save Jesus from Murder
August 2, 2011 at 3:42 pm
The thing is, if I were a Christian I'd get the feeling that no matter what I answered I'd be attacked for my answer.
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