If I Was God

[The Grand Nudger]

In any case, what a perfect lawgiver would or wouldn't do doesn't say anything about whether or not such a lawgiver actually exists. Law is probably not the best area to even have this conversation from CRod. There's a reason that judges don't reference duetoronomy. The idea that there should be one law, for all men, that no one is above is a great one. The trouble is implying or insisting that it should be a christian law.

[C Rod]

So you think he should stop them or take away what life they would have because he knows they will commit a crime based on their will.

No, I'm pointing out to you that if an all-knowing lawgiver were in the punishment business he wouldn't even have to wait for the criminal to be born. What exactly is he waiting on, are they going to prove him wrong? Immorality of inaction my friend. It also absolutely annihilates the idea of free will. Oh sure it may seem like free will to you, but if it was already known to an all-knowing being it was predetermined. If you could prove an all-knowing being wrong he wouldn't be all-knowing. The whole idea of heavenly laws and punishment handed down by an all-knowing being becomes a joke. Just going through the motions. Born to burn.

So you would take away what life they would have and influence in the world. No mercy? The actions still exist because of the choice, actions are real and matter. You have to think big picture, hard for you.

[The Grand Nudger]

You would allow rape and deny the victim mercy? You would deny mercy to the little girl in Florida? Don't even start on big picture, you're drawing from one book, one point of view. It doesn't get much more narrow. You're gonna sit on the other end of this denying every piece of the absolutely vast body of knowledge that we have on nearly every subject touched upon in the bible, dismiss it as heresy, and then make some jibe about big pictures. Give me a break.

[Skepsis]

But does anyone actually have free will if God made us knowing beforehand what we would do and what choices we would make?
Isn't that just like making a custom batch of robots that are free to do as they want, but due to foreknowledge of their programming, we already have their life planned out and charted. That isn't even truly free will. So, in essence, your God is just playing games with us if he is punishing or rewarding us in any way for actions he himself must have, as dictated by basic logic, programmed into us upon our arrival as beings.
We are perpetually playing into his hands, we can be nothing more than a toy for Him.

Law is definately not the way to come at the subject of his existance, as He can only be defined ambigiously at best in that subject.
Perhaps in his allowing suffering and hell to coexist with his loving nature?
Or better yet his all powerful nature?

If we had the resources God had, who knows what humans might do. That is, only the omniscience.

[Emanuel]

Except that this is impossible.

Why?

Because God is immortal.

[Ace Otana]

Except that this is impossible.

Why?

Because God is immortal.

So he's not all powerful then?

[8BitAtheist]

Be a sadistic fuck with an ego problem.

...Wait.

[The Grand Nudger]

The all-powerful bit becomes a song and dance. God is capable of all powers that can be logically justified. Since it is all part of his nature. In this way god is incapable of "going against his nature" by virtue of his nature being the very framework of existence. Amusingly, this means that god is incapable of doing this or that for exactly the same reason that I am, IE it is against the nature of existence. Talk about a Common Joe God.

[C Rod]

You would allow rape and deny the victim mercy? You would deny mercy to the little girl in Florida? Don't even start on big picture, you're drawing from one book, one point of view. It doesn't get much more narrow. You're gonna sit on the other end of this denying every piece of the absolutely vast body of knowledge that we have on nearly every subject touched upon in the bible, dismiss it as heresy, and then make some jibe about big pictures. Give me a break.

"You would allow rape and deny the victim mercy? You would deny mercy to the little girl in Florida?" Exactly, what if the one that engaged in that crime was able to live forever and would continue to commit said crime because of his existence? Would you take away that mans thoughts and will to do such acts or would you remove him forever? What if the rape victim helped others that have been raped, what if she in turn saved others from committing suicide because of her help?
Did you hear about that little girl starting a donation fund for people without water. Her goal was $300. About a week after her birthday(that's what she wanted for her birthday, to help people) she died in a car crash. The news of her story and death has caused people to donate. There is now over a million dollars to help people. Big picture?
What i get from the bible is "good", the nature of it and science has told me nothing about that.
Now talk about the OT out of context or in the assumption of the negative to condemn God so as to justify yourself. Go ahead.

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But does anyone actually have free will if God made us knowing beforehand what we would do and what choices we would make?
Isn't that just like making a custom batch of robots that are free to do as they want, but due to foreknowledge of their programming, we already have their life planned out and charted. That isn't even truly free will. So, in essence, your God is just playing games with us if he is punishing or rewarding us in any way for actions he himself must have, as dictated by basic logic, programmed into us upon our arrival as beings.
We are perpetually playing into his hands, we can be nothing more than a toy for Him.

Law is definately not the way to come at the subject of his existance, as He can only be defined ambigiously at best in that subject.
Perhaps in his allowing suffering and hell to coexist with his loving nature?
Or better yet his all powerful nature?

If we had the resources God had, who knows what humans might do. That is, only the omniscience.

He knows of what you will do. The thing is, the actual choice and action are real and prove who the person is. God doesn't condemn you because he knows you will engage in sin but because your object will is to gain for yourself the the sin and the action will be proof. He is just, he uses proof before he condemns you. Would it be good if he took away your life and choice because what you would chose would be wrong, would you do that?
Would you say actions and influence matter or are they worthless?

Nice, he is either playing games with us or he is teaching us? Should we assume for the positive or the negative? Speculate on what makes it true or what falsifies it?
Shall we learn from suffering or relish in self pity? It seems to be a choice.
If you knew a criminal would continue to engage in crime, would you allow him to be freed knowing he would act again?

[Cinjin]

This is called the "Beat-you-to-the-punch - I'll play the martyr" Defense

Now talk about the OT out of context or in the assumption of the negative to condemn God so as to justify yourself. Go ahead.

The disgusting attributes of your god are only considered to be out of context if christians as a whole deny that when god said "Kill", he did indeed mean, "kill."

Christians as a whole, do not, and you are full of shit if you pretend otherwise. In fact, many christians are rather boastful about the brutal nature of their god as it allows them to justify their own violent agendas.


Furthermore, you pretentious bastard, we don't condemn your god in order to justify ourselves. We need no justification. We condemn your make-believe god on the sole grounds that he is a supreme asshole!