Schoolgirl Exorcists

[Minimalist]

I'm always alert!

[Justtristo]

Guys, this is why I tend not to associate with most women - and why a lot of women aren't on this board.

Women are proud of their stupid spirituality. It doesn't matter what package it comes in, or if the faith subjugated them. They feel in tune with their bullshit because women are supposed to be mysterious and in touch with the weird. Who better to make men give up some sort of ectoplasmic emanation?

I agree with you fully on this one thesummerqueen, in my experience even women who are critical of religion in general, will believe in all sorts of spiritual rubbish such as Crystal healing and so forth.

Mind you my dislike of anything spiritual might be a reason why I dont get along well with a lot of women (I get along with other men a lot better), while my devout catholic friend gets along better with women than men.

[thesummerqueen]

Guys, this is why I tend not to associate with most women - and why a lot of women aren't on this board.

Women are proud of their stupid spirituality. It doesn't matter what package it comes in, or if the faith subjugated them. They feel in tune with their bullshit because women are supposed to be mysterious and in touch with the weird. Who better to make men give up some sort of ectoplasmic emanation?

Generalization alert.

I said most. The number of atheists, while almost assuredly under-reported, are far less than those who are theists, and the women are fewer than that.

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Sorry, I'm in a cranky mood again.

[Shell B]

Women are proud of their stupid spirituality.

That doesn't say most. Not to argue with you, because you know I like you, I just think anti-feminism is just as bad as feminism. As a woman, it is just as difficult to hear, "I hate hanging out with women because *insert generalization or bias here*" as it is to hear, "Men are all assholes." Neither is a position I would be willing to take. So, while I like you, I completely disagree with you here. Don't take this personally, because I am certainly not talking about you in particular, but in many cases, I see women bash women in general to get attention from the type of men who would also disrespect an entire sex as avidly as racists disrespect *insert plural racial epithet here.* It annoys me as much as feminists annoy me. That being said, I don't hang out with a lot of women that are not related to me, either. That is simply because my interests tend to lean on the masculine side.

[thesummerqueen]

Women are proud of their stupid spirituality.

That doesn't say most. Not to argue with you, because you know I like you, I just think anti-feminism is just as bad as feminism. As a woman, it is just as difficult to hear, "I hate hanging out with women because *insert generalization or bias here*" as it is to hear, "Men are all assholes." Neither is a position I would be willing to take. So, while I like you, I completely disagree with you here. Don't take this personally, because I am certainly not talking about you in particular, but in many cases, I see women bash women in general to get attention from the type of men who would also disrespect an entire sex as avidly as racists disrespect *insert plural racial epithet here.* It annoys me as much as feminists annoy me. That being said, I don't hang out with a lot of women that are not related to me, either. That is simply because my interests tend to lean on the masculine side.

My "most" in the upper sentence should have been brought down, or connected up somehow, and that's my bad for not being careful with my phrasing, typing or proofing. I wouldn't say all of one sex, race or religion is one particular way, which I know you know. Otherwise I wouldn't adore you, for one!

And this is just me and my opinion here. I don't bash women to get attention from men (I know you're not accusing me) but because I have serious mommy issues and the vast majority of women I've met annoy the shit out of me for various reasons... this (spirituality) being one of them. I have a knee-jerk reaction against feminists because I've had nothing but bad experiences with any who flaunt the title. I don't remember if I put it in my introductory post, but my first "letting go" into atheism didn't happen because of a woman (many of whom around me at the time were suggesting I get more spiritual to cope with breaking up with my then long-time boyfriend) - it happened because of two men who basically said "Hey...loosen up. We know you don't believe, and it's cool. No one's going to lecture you here." So yeah, I'm biased, though I try to keep hope alive because of wonder women like you, actually, who go through shit and don't say "my faith kept me afloat." Unless of course it's the faith you have in yourself, which I find inspiring.

And maybe I'm just damned lucky to have had some fantastic men around me as friends for so many years - generous, smart, no-bullshit and no-god-needs-to-enter-this-conversation-that's-on-you-alone kind of guys. I wish I had met more women like that earlier on - though it's never to late to keep on doing so, thanks to this board. But I'm scared, with the field I'm going into, that I will keep meeting women like I seem to in horticulture-centered areas: ones who are all fucking about Wicca and Native American shit and leave a sour taste in my mouth. No one's telling the guys in those settings "You are connected to the earth by your very nurturing natures!" Paugh.

Anyway, now that I've written that much, I'll stop talking now while I'm in a bitchy-fucking mood - ironically caused by the aftermath of a man and NOT a woman.

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PS - please tell me you hate me more for not proofing than for being a grumpy-guts about vaginas. It's one thing I love most about you.

[The Grand Nudger]

Oh, you're gonna meet some serious loons. Serious...serious loons. Male and female.

[Minimalist]

Women are proud of their stupid spirituality.

That doesn't say most. Not to argue with you, because you know I like you, I just think anti-feminism is just as bad as feminism. As a woman, it is just as difficult to hear, "I hate hanging out with women because *insert generalization or bias here*" as it is to hear, "Men are all assholes." Neither is a position I would be willing to take. So, while I like you, I completely disagree with you here. Don't take this personally, because I am certainly not talking about you in particular, but in many cases, I see women bash women in general to get attention from the type of men who would also disrespect an entire sex as avidly as racists disrespect *insert plural racial epithet here.* It annoys me as much as feminists annoy me. That being said, I don't hang out with a lot of women that are not related to me, either. That is simply because my interests tend to lean on the masculine side.

Cat fight!!!!!

[Shell B]

PS - please tell me you hate me more for not proofing than for being a grumpy-guts about vaginas. It's one thing I love most about you.

I don't hate you, but I certainly prefer the latter.

It is funny how we form negative opinions of entire groups of people based on our own limited experience. I try not to do that, but I am not completely exempt.

LMAO, Min. Neither of us are claiming to be feminist.

[thesummerqueen]

I try to keep an open mind and heart but people wear me the fuck out.

[Shell B]

I try to keep an open mind and heart but people wear me the fuck out.

Ditto. I can't wait to party a little this weekend. Ever since the fire and with the ongoing ex bs, I have been out of sorts. Just three weeks left to go, though, so I should be able to get back to normal soon.

On a side note, I have been writing about a few weird plants on one of my blogs. It made me think of you.