Pharma company protests use of epilepsy med for executions.

[Anymouse]

[Violet]

It's kind of retarded. You have a product for sale, so sell it. What they do with it is no longer up to you once they buy, nor should its usage be up to you.

[Atheistfreethinker]

Phenobarbital or Sodium Thiopental are only part of the death cocktail. These would be used as a sedative to render the prisoner unconscious. Then Norcuron would be given. It is a strong paralytic that ceases breathing and then a lethal dose of potassium chloride is given that interrupts the sodium potassium pump in the heart and causes cardiac arrest. Without the sedative the prisoner would be awake and alert even though he couldn't move because of the paralytic. I'm sure the potassium building up to a lethal dose would also cause chest pain and anxiety even though the prisoner couldn't move. This would be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

[Violet]

Never did understand how pain before death enters into it: You'll be dead soon anyway. Seriously: why make such a big deal on making death less painful?

[Anymouse]

Never did understand how pain before death enters into it: You'll be dead soon anyway. Seriously: why make such a big deal on making death less painful?

Aside from the constitutional requirement that punishment not be cruel?

I know: lets not use phenobarbital: sentenced to execution, die by being run over with a Ford Explorer. Let's see how long it takes before Ford regains the name of death-mobile (first earned with the Pinto), and how quickly Ford moves to quit selling their Explorers to states that use them to run over prisoners.

Or, put prisoners to be executed in the back of a Pinto and ram it in the rear with a Ford Explorer.

And really. Running over their head with a 7000 pound SUV ought to be much quicker and painless than the drug cocktail they use now. And the vehicle could be endlessly reused for this purpose. After a while the blood splatters all over it would look good on televised executions. After all, if executions are meant to be a "deterrent" then the states that voters approve of such ought to be forced to watch the executions so they can see their deterrents at work.

"Now watch, little Johnny and Suzie, here comes the big truck to run over the bad man's head. Honey will you go buy the kids some cotton candy?"

[Minimalist]

Seriously: why make such a big deal on making death less painful?

We like to pretend that we are not barbarians, Sae.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Phenobarbital amounts to 1% of Lundbeck Pharmaceutical’s sales.

Fucking humbugs. I'd like to see their attitude if it was say 10%

[Violet]

Seriously: why make such a big deal on making death less painful?

We like to pretend that we are not barbarians, Sae.

Oh... carry on then I do love a good fairy tale ^_^

Reminds me of religion

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Never did understand how pain before death enters into it: You'll be dead soon anyway. Seriously: why make such a big deal on making death less painful?

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Aside from the constitutional requirement that punishment not be cruel?

The... what? How the hell could you have an uncruel punishment? That is absurd... you're going to make an absurdist of me yet.

I know: lets not use phenobarbital: sentenced to execution, die by being run over with a Ford Explorer. Let's see how long it takes before Ford regains the name of death-mobile (first earned with the Pinto), and how quickly Ford moves to quit selling their Explorers to states that use them to run over prisoners.

* Violet doesn't associate Ford Explorers with what people do to them.

Or, put prisoners to be executed in the back of a Pinto and ram it in the rear with a Ford Explorer.

I feel sorry for the Pinto, if I know my cars right

And really. Running over their head with a 7000 pound SUV ought to be much quicker and painless than the drug cocktail they use now. And the vehicle could be endlessly reused for this purpose. After a while the blood splatters all over it would look good on televised executions. After all, if executions are meant to be a "deterrent" then the states that voters approve of such ought to be forced to watch the executions so they can see their deterrents at work.

Hell, I bet it's cheaper too. Why don't we do this, again?

"Now watch, little Johnny and Suzie, here comes the big truck to run over the bad man's head. Honey will you go buy the kids some cotton candy?"

Well that's a great way to treat a wife. How about YOU go buy the cotton candy, and I watch?

[Faith No More]

Aside from the constitutional requirement that punishment not be cruel?

Lol, it's the freaking death penalty. If we were truly concerned about cruelty, we wouldn't be killing people. The only reason to use drugs is to try and convince ourselves that we're not as bad as the people we're executing. I say if the state is squeamish about using the guillotine, then they should be squeamish about the death penalty in the first place.

Seriously though, if you are unable to get the drug you need to start making a lot of noise. That's bullshit.

[Kayenneh]

I'm so sorry James to read this, I sure hope that sense will win over PR and that you'll be able to keep your drugs.