It's been fun today.

[frankiej]

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[Zen Badger]

I wish you stayed long enough for us to discuss this, but you didn't come with a decision to obey the authority here, you came thinking the atheists wanted to change you, instead they wanted to know if you can think for yourself. I hope you like talkjesus. Let me know how it is...I still haven't logged on...I guess I like it here.

And that is the reason I suspect you and the other long term theists keep coming here, because we make you think about what you believe. Unlike Talkingjeebus etc where all you have to say is "I love jesus" and you're applauded for being a good little jesusbot.

Here, you have to work at maintaining your faith.

[5thHorseman]

Russia attack Israel..... hmmm given their ties, I doubt that.

War of armageddon, featuring some of the most insignificant armies in the world, bar Russia and Israel.

Where will the USA, China, UK, France and India be? Watching football?

I think that since you stopped havin your bum fun when you were 23, that you, like catholic priests, have become a repressed psychopath, constantly thinking about sex and violence.

[The Grand Nudger]

What about reasoned faith and supporting evidence which wouldn't contradict design and function?

You'd be very wrong.

Perhaps you'd like to start a thread elaborating upon this "reasoned faith", I would especially love to hear about the "supporting evidence". You already knew that though.

It's good to know that you'll miss me. However, it seems a strange sort of affection coming from a person who argues for damnation. You'll miss me from what, your seat in heaven looking down upon me wasting away in hell? That's a tough sell.

[fr0d0]

And you know already... is what I already know

re damnation: Did you mix me up with someone else? I argue for your ultimate salvation. Heck, it's even in my beliefs line now. In words of my faith: we grieve for you now. We will grieve for you then. We should try to do anything to save you.
Besides that, I like you a lot. You're a nice, intelligent, warm bloke. You write well, you're well read. You're great with kids. An inspiration really.

[The Grand Nudger]

But ultimately, a godless sinner destined for damnation. In the absence of any evidence for god, whose position do you really think this is? I'd say it's your own, and I'm not likely to give you a pass on it.

[fr0d0]

What evidence from your actions would you think I would take to be you acting like you were damned?
> our judgements would be similar.

It's not for me to judge you, indeed that would make me the bad guy. And who's to say that you aren't far superior to me?

[The Grand Nudger]

Indeed, who are you to judge me Frodo? Unless you have any evidence that your god exists, when you say that "god will judge me", you are actually the only one in the conversation that can be shown to be doing any such thing (or even contemplating such a thing). There is always, in any conversation, the implication of judgement and eternal punishment, even if you are not consciously considering it. This is something you carry with you in your faith, though perhaps you don't think of it often. It is deeply, almost indescribably offensive to me.

This should go a long way towards understanding why I interact with you, and the rest of the faithful, in the manner that I do.

[fr0d0]

So from my own dogma, and from your opinon: I cannot judge you.

Kinda removes your objection right there.

[The Grand Nudger]