Disproof of Omnibenevolence

[Captain Scarlet]

Gah! There you go moving those goal posts again Cap'n!

Atheist referred to deity, now it refers to higher power.

God knows he's the highest power if he knows that he is God. How couldn't he? And you didn't explain how omni = not quite omni. How does omni =/= unlimited?

Really? Check post #12; my goalposts are stationary. In addition the term god is meaningless without ascribing it as a higher power. As god knows no such being he is definitionally an atheist wrt to his own existence, how could he be otherwise?

I am not trying to make an argument about metaphysics here. This says nothing about whether god exists, or can exist, or whether the concept is even incoherent. it is an exploration of what attitudes you could assign to such a being.

I haven't made any claim that omni = not quite omni? At least if I have it has passed by me unnoticed, so if you could point out that post and i'll gladly clarify.

However you have made a claim that gods powers reach some limit but didn't explain that. I do not understand the point you are making. Can you clarify.

Yes god does know he's the highest power

[fr0d0]

Ah my bad I didn't check post #12

I answered your limit question in post #16 point 2. I clarified "reached limits of definition" as omni. That's what I meant.

I simply don't agree that atheist = lack of belief in a higher power. It is a lack of belief in a higher power or powers. God can't believe in a higher power because he already knows this [accepted], but he knows that he is God : so he knows that he is the higher power to lesser beings: ie humans, and that he is superior to inferior gods. His POV is not god less, like an atheist POV has to be, but densely populated by deity.

[Nappeun]

An interesting documentary on god by a swedish christian;
Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftR5L57mG4c

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC6l1FyzaN8

[The Magic Pudding]

When I'm parked on a slope and I start getting out of the car but then pause to grab this or that and some ethereal being pushes the car door onto my shin. I know that cloud sitting bastard is laughing.