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Is this a disproof of Allah I've come up with?
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Is this a disproof of Allah I've come up with?
July 11, 2022 at 11:03 pm (This post was last modified: July 12, 2022 at 5:56 am by arewethereyet.)
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RE: Is this a disproof of Allah I've come up with?
July 11, 2022 at 11:33 pm
(July 11, 2022 at 11:03 pm)Atheism_is_True Wrote: This is my disproof  attempt of the New Muslim/Dawah Muslim version of Allah, who is said to be able to tell all the future for all eternity, he's all-knowing:


Allah knows he will create Adam so has to create Adam. If he doesn't create Adam he can't be all-knowing. Why? Because if he always knew he'd create X but then doesn't create X then what he always knew for all eternity, that he would create X, was false. He wouldn't be all knowing because he got what he knew wrong. Because he must create Adam he can't have freewill because Allah can't make the choice not to create Adam. Allah can't be all-powerful because he is unable to stop the creation of Adam even if he wanted to. So being all-knowledgeable, all-powerful and having freewill are contradictory in this sense.

Saying "Allah will create Adam but Allah will not create Adam" is a logical contradiction bear this is mind.


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The Allah you're describing has a number of characteristics, apparently.

He moves through time. He has a spatial location. He knows things in the way people do -- that is, the knower and the thing known are separate. 

The argument you make here works against that particular conception of Allah.
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RE: Is this a disproof of Allah I've come up with?
July 11, 2022 at 11:37 pm
It is my understanding that Allah was a tribal diety, one of many, whom Muhammad "promoted" to the Creator of the Universe.
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RE: Is this a disproof of Allah I've come up with?
July 12, 2022 at 12:07 am
Something seems fishy
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RE: Is this a disproof of Allah I've come up with?
July 12, 2022 at 4:05 am
(July 11, 2022 at 11:03 pm)Atheism_is_True Wrote: This is my disproof  attempt of the New Muslim/Dawah Muslim version of Allah, who is said to be able to tell all the future for all eternity, he's all-knowing:


Allah knows he will create Adam so has to create Adam. If he doesn't create Adam he can't be all-knowing. Why? Because if he always knew he'd create X but then doesn't create X then what he always knew for all eternity, that he would create X, was false. He wouldn't be all knowing because he got what he knew wrong. Because he must create Adam he can't have freewill because Allah can't make the choice not to create Adam. Allah can't be all-powerful because he is unable to stop the creation of Adam even if he wanted to. So being all-knowledgeable, all-powerful and having freewill are contradictory in this sense.

Saying "Allah will create Adam but Allah will not create Adam" is a logical contradiction bear this is mind.


Comments including feedback are appreciated.

Congratulations! You’ve managed to discover a principle of logic that’s 2400 years old. Clever clogs.

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RE: Is this a disproof of Allah I've come up with?
July 12, 2022 at 5:55 am
Well, well - an hour before posting here this same thing was deleted from reddit though it still exists in the ether.

Will purge the spammer but the content has been quoted so the fascinating post will remain.
  
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