Censorship

[downbeatplumb]

I've actually been thinking about this all night, and Rev - would you say "keeping a secret" is censorship?

I'm not telling!

[Kayenneh]

Good education to the people, in order to be able to think for themselves. No censorship, every opinion should have it's opportunity to be heard, no matter how stupid the opinion.

[IATIA]

... but I do respect the need of the gov't to keep some things secret for defense purposes.

This creates a subjective line. What about a 'false flag' operation?

(I do realize this is a moot question, but we are expressing opinions.)

[reverendjeremiah]

I believe illegality shouldn't be censored either.

hmm..I think that may be pushing the bounds of the topic.

I mean, if someone made a video of torturing my daughter before she was slowly killed, I would go ballistic if people claimed a right to publicly play the video.

[Autumnlicious]

I mean, if someone made a video of torturing my daughter before she was slowly killed, I would go ballistic if people claimed a right to publicly play the video.

And if they were playing the video to spread awareness of the crime, would you still go ballistic?

Emotional absolutes rarely make logical sense.

Context is key.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

I mean, if someone made a video of torturing my daughter before she was slowly killed, I would go ballistic if people claimed a right to publicly play the video.

And if they were playing the video to spread awareness of the crime, would you still go ballistic?

Emotional absolutes rarely make logical sense.

Context is key.

Indeed

"If the ends do not justify the means, what on earth does?" (anon)

[reverendjeremiah]

I mean, if someone made a video of torturing my daughter before she was slowly killed, I would go ballistic if people claimed a right to publicly play the video.

And if they were playing the video to spread awareness of the crime, would you still go ballistic?

Emotional absolutes rarely make logical sense.

Context is key.

Lets be honest now, in no way was I trying to spread an "emotional absolute". Im an absurdist, there is no ethical or emotional "absolute" anything.

Now, if they were trying to spread awareness, I may actually consider it if it was edited some.

Lets also be honest and realize I was merely speaking of my own opinion. In the end, my opinion doesnt mean jack shit in that situation.

[thesummerqueen]

This creates a subjective line. What about a 'false flag' operation?

(I do realize this is a moot question, but we are expressing opinions.)

Sorry - I read the question yesterday, got distracted, then completely forgot.

I have to say, I had to wiki False Flags and I might need someone with a better understanding of them to give me a good snapshot of exactly what they are, but it seems to me they deal more with dishonesty than with censorship. I don't feel that keeping a secret or dishonesty are censorship as Rev defined it. On the other hand, I don't condone the dishonesty.

It's one thing to keep training, weapons, or craft a secret for defense. It's another thing entirely to say "you're not allowed to express this opinion." It's a fine line, and as was stated above it depends highly on context.

[IATIA]

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This creates a subjective line. What about a 'false flag' operation?

(I do realize this is a moot question, but we are expressing opinions.)

Sorry - I read the question yesterday, got distracted, then completely forgot.

I have to say, I had to wiki False Flags and I might need someone with a better understanding of them to give me a good snapshot of exactly what they are, but it seems to me they deal more with dishonesty than with censorship. I don't feel that keeping a secret or dishonesty are censorship as Rev defined it. On the other hand, I don't condone the dishonesty.

It's one thing to keep training, weapons, or craft a secret for defense. It's another thing entirely to say "you're not allowed to express this opinion." It's a fine line, and as was stated above it depends highly on context.

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[Violet]

I believe illegality shouldn't be censored either.

hmm..I think that may be pushing the bounds of the topic.

I mean, if someone made a video of torturing my daughter before she was slowly killed, I would go ballistic if people claimed a right to publicly play the video.

And if she is now dead: she can no longer be protected by keeping secrets.

Only the living can suffer... and I see no reason to censor what has happened to the dead.

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Nor frankly, do I see a reason to censor what has occurred to the living. If you're going to keep secrets: don't tell other people. A secret is only solely yours while you solely are aware. But censorship is not keeping secrets: it is silencing that which has already been said.

The best way to protect people who could be hurt by information... is to not say it in the first place. Not to anyone. Once it leaves you: you no longer have control. At most, I could see censoring your daughter's name, and/or your daughter's face, and making it into a nameless and faceless assault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNJGAwqV0ys