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Poll: Censorship
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I support it.
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I oppose it.
96.15%
25 96.15%
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Censorship
#21
RE: Censorship
(October 19, 2011 at 6:17 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: I've actually been thinking about this all night, and Rev - would you say "keeping a secret" is censorship?

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#22
RE: Censorship
Good education to the people, in order to be able to think for themselves. No censorship, every opinion should have it's opportunity to be heard, no matter how stupid the opinion.
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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#23
RE: Censorship
(October 19, 2011 at 1:05 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: ... but I do respect the need of the gov't to keep some things secret for defense purposes.

This creates a subjective line. What about a 'false flag' operation?

(I do realize this is a moot question, but we are expressing opinions.)
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#24
RE: Censorship
(October 19, 2011 at 1:32 pm)Vaeolet Lilly Blossom Wrote: I believe illegality shouldn't be censored either.

hmm..I think that may be pushing the bounds of the topic.

I mean, if someone made a video of torturing my daughter before she was slowly killed, I would go ballistic if people claimed a right to publicly play the video.

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#25
RE: Censorship
(October 19, 2011 at 6:13 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: I mean, if someone made a video of torturing my daughter before she was slowly killed, I would go ballistic if people claimed a right to publicly play the video.

And if they were playing the video to spread awareness of the crime, would you still go ballistic?

Emotional absolutes rarely make logical sense.

Context is key.
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#26
RE: Censorship
(October 19, 2011 at 9:17 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote:
(October 19, 2011 at 6:13 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: I mean, if someone made a video of torturing my daughter before she was slowly killed, I would go ballistic if people claimed a right to publicly play the video.

And if they were playing the video to spread awareness of the crime, would you still go ballistic?

Emotional absolutes rarely make logical sense.

Context is key.

Indeed

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#27
RE: Censorship
(October 19, 2011 at 9:17 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote:
(October 19, 2011 at 6:13 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: I mean, if someone made a video of torturing my daughter before she was slowly killed, I would go ballistic if people claimed a right to publicly play the video.

And if they were playing the video to spread awareness of the crime, would you still go ballistic?

Emotional absolutes rarely make logical sense.

Context is key.

Lets be honest now, in no way was I trying to spread an "emotional absolute". Im an absurdist, there is no ethical or emotional "absolute" anything.

Now, if they were trying to spread awareness, I may actually consider it if it was edited some.

Lets also be honest and realize I was merely speaking of my own opinion. In the end, my opinion doesnt mean jack shit in that situation.
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#28
RE: Censorship
(October 19, 2011 at 5:28 pm)IATIA Wrote: This creates a subjective line. What about a 'false flag' operation?

(I do realize this is a moot question, but we are expressing opinions.)

Sorry - I read the question yesterday, got distracted, then completely forgot.

I have to say, I had to wiki False Flags and I might need someone with a better understanding of them to give me a good snapshot of exactly what they are, but it seems to me they deal more with dishonesty than with censorship. I don't feel that keeping a secret or dishonesty are censorship as Rev defined it. On the other hand, I don't condone the dishonesty.

It's one thing to keep training, weapons, or craft a secret for defense. It's another thing entirely to say "you're not allowed to express this opinion." It's a fine line, and as was stated above it depends highly on context.
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#29
RE: Censorship
(October 20, 2011 at 9:52 am)thesummerqueen Wrote:




A false flag operation is Presenting yourself as another. In the case of Northwoods, our government intended to invade Florida and blame it on the Cubans to rev up support from the people to invade Cuba.

It is my contention that ANYTHING our government does must go through congress and our representatives will decide if we have a need to know.

cen·sor noun \ˈsen(t)-sər\

1: a person who supervises conduct and morals: as
  1. an official who examines materials (as publications or films) for objectionable matter
  2. an official (as in time of war) who reads communications (as letters) and deletes material considered sensitive or harmful
2: one of two magistrates of early Rome acting as census takers, assessors, and inspectors of morals and conduct

3: a hypothetical psychic agency that represses unacceptable notions before they reach consciousness
I believe censorship to be a reduction of available information.
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
-- Homer Simpson

God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers

Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders

Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
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#30
RE: Censorship
(October 19, 2011 at 6:13 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote:
(October 19, 2011 at 1:32 pm)Vaeolet Lilly Blossom Wrote: I believe illegality shouldn't be censored either.

hmm..I think that may be pushing the bounds of the topic.

I mean, if someone made a video of torturing my daughter before she was slowly killed, I would go ballistic if people claimed a right to publicly play the video.

And if she is now dead: she can no longer be protected by keeping secrets.

Only the living can suffer... and I see no reason to censor what has happened to the dead.
Nor frankly, do I see a reason to censor what has occurred to the living. If you're going to keep secrets: don't tell other people. A secret is only solely yours while you solely are aware. But censorship is not keeping secrets: it is silencing that which has already been said.

The best way to protect people who could be hurt by information... is to not say it in the first place. Not to anyone. Once it leaves you: you no longer have control. At most, I could see censoring your daughter's name, and/or your daughter's face, and making it into a nameless and faceless assault.

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