Reliability of Wikipedia.

[Kyuuketsuki]

You mean to tell me that a subject where scientists are not even in agreement upon is a base for dismissing Wiki as a reliable source?

What reliable source on the historicity of Jesus do you have?

Leo ... did you actually bother reading my piece earlier? I know it wasn't finished but hey, time's precious.

Whether you like it or not, I DO NOT consider Wikipedia to be reliable! Whether you approve or not that is unlikely to change withoiut major changes in the way Wiki is administered and I WILL NOT accept Wiki to be a reliable source until they change the way things are handled and like it or not, administrators hiding behind anonymity is a SERIOUSLY BIG HUGE FUCK OFF problem for me. Likewise the fact that many articles are simply volunteered and expert opinions are not sought is a problem.

We both agree it is a useful starting point but I CANNOT consider it a source.

Kyu

[Tiberius]

I just skimmed the Historicity of Jesus article. It mentions a lot of evidence for the existence of Jesus (as it rightly should, since it is agreed upon by most historians that he did exist in some form) and it also touches on the Jesus Myth, linking to the full article about the Jesus Myth (which is at least as long if not longer than the Historicity article). To me, it seems that all views are presented. The majority view is obviously going to be represented more as it is the accepted viewpoint.

As for your earlier piece, I just read it, and I just wanted to correct you on something:

Seigenthaler has subsequently attempted to discover the identity of the libeller with no success finding that IPS's were not interested in helping him find such information as it would reflect poorly on them.

Brian Chase was found responsible, and subsequently resigned from his job at which he had done the edit. http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2005-1...logy_x.htm

[Kyuuketsuki]

Thanks for the update and I'll adjust my article with respect to it however I still maintain there are problems with Wikipedia.

Kyu

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

@kyu

I admire the way you stick to your guns,regardless of criticism . I'm assuming you're being principled rather stubborn.(Tigger doesn't like stubborn,he thinks it's sign of stupidity)


I'm referring specifically to your dissent from popular opinion on Ledger's Batman and about Wiki. As it turns out I disagree with you on each of those topics. I don't have the slightest problem with disagreeing.I hope I'm able to change my position on any topic if I come across a compelling reason. So far I see our views on the topics mentioned more as a matter "different' than right vs wrong--of course you may well disagree with my perception on that too.

[Kyuuketsuki]

I admire the way you stick to your guns,regardless of criticism . I'm assuming you're being principled rather stubborn.(Tigger doesn't like stubborn,he thinks it's sign of stupidity)

LOL. Oh I don't deny there's an element of stubbornness to me and undoubtedly it comes into play in both the Wiki and the Ledger scenarios however I do think my concerns about Wiki are justified (I have genuine reservations about the way it works (user supported with no specific requirements for relevant qualification or experience, the fact that it is for cointentious subjects more like a forum than a reference) plus possible problems concerning plagiarism and uniformity), the way it is administered (moderators hiding behind handles bugs the hell out of me, accountability I suppose), the way it is used (scraping) and the subsequent way it punches way above its weight (that it's use as a source/resource is far greater than it should be considering what it is).

As it turns out I disagree with you on each of those topics. I don't have the slightest problem with disagreeing. I hope I'm able to change my position on any topic if I come across a compelling reason. So far I see our views on the topics mentioned more as a matter "different' than right vs wrong--of course you may well disagree with my perception on that too.

Same ... I just need more of a reason than popular opinion to change my mind. I concede that if everyone but me thinks otherwise it gives me pause for thought though in my defence I believe I am the only UK national to dislike Abba when it's entirely obvious they are pants (why doesn't everyone else understand this?)

Kyu

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

I am the only UK national to dislike Abba when it's entirely obvious they are pants (why doesn't everyone else understand this?) Devil


I might if I had any idea what you mean by "it's entirely obvious they are pants"


I actually like Abba, for nostalgia and because I admire Bjorn Ulvaeus and Benny Andersson as competent,cunning muscians who wrote perfect pop music--- and because I think Agnetha Folkskog had the most superb arse which appeared on my TV at the time,and fora long while after.


But,music is another topic about which I decline to argue.

[Kyuuketsuki]

"pants" means awful ... we hates 'em preciousss yes we does.

Kyu