Subsequent truths

[Minimalist]

Because verifiable evidence isn't the only kind of evidence.

Actually, it is. The rest is nothing but simple delusion.

[5thHorseman]

'Quote:
If there is no Creator, where did the universe come from?'

Who created the creator? And who created the creators creator? And so on and do forth. Blah blah blah. Even if there is a god, wtf is the likelihood of any of the bible bring true?

A: None.

[Minimalist]

Of course 5th, they arbitrarily declare that their god ( but no other sect's god) is an exception to the rule and claim he "always was" hanging around, jerking off, for billions of years before he decided to do something.

Lunacy.

[LastPoet]

Of course 5th, they arbitrarily declare that their god ( but no other sect's god) is an exception to the rule and claim he "always was" hanging around, jerking off, for billions of years before he decided to do something.

Lunacy.

You are too optimistic Min, I'd prefer lunacy 10x to willfull ignorance,

[chadster1976]

I didn't think I'd have to explain everything in such detail but...

The point about not closing one's mind and having an imagination is that if we had sat around happy with fires in caves, rather than imagining what might be over the horizon, we would not have developed anything like how we have. If no-one thought "I wonder what this us really made of.." would we developed molecular and atomic theory? Without attempts to further our knowledge, to see what we currently can't see, to believe there may be more to an answer, we would have failed to move out of the stone age. I know many theists are equally lazy by saying "God is the only answer I need" but that outlook doesn't impress me much. I believe there is much to see that we currently cannot.

If you are being agnostic and saying simply "I don't know" then that is one think. However, if you state my belief is wrong then you are effectively supporting the contrary I.e.,that there is no god. That is not the same as stating that you do not know. You do perfectly illustrate exactly why you cannot empirically say that God does or doesn't exist by using logical extrapolation. That is why it always comes down to personal philosophies and ideologies.

The statement you said was illogical is a philosophical quote. An example would be to look at flight. Only 4 or 5 generations back, many thought flight was impossible. Those who dared to use their imaginations showed them to be wrong. Gradually, we were able to develop and apply aeronautical science to perfect planes, helicopters etc. None of would have been possible without a little imagination. Me being a basket is just arguing ad ridiculum.

[Norfolk And Chance]

Um, actually, it isn't, it's perfectly valid.

Some things ARE impossible.

Saying anything is possible if you just have an imagination, or words to that effect, is nothing more than a motivational statement. But it isn't true. It belongs in sales conferences, not in a semi serious debate area.

[Godscreated]

What is your take on dark matter and dark energy, mine is that science claims that it exists, yet there is no valid evidence for either, it is no more than primitive man trying to explain something they do not understand, that would be God. So what kind of logic is it that would believe in dark matter and energy.

I generally just let things like that roll off my back. I try not to talk down to the mentally challenged. But you really are a brainwashed idiot. You cannot really believe this crap spewing out of your mouth, can you?

Prove to me that dark matter or dark energy exist.

[Norfolk And Chance]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

There is plenty of information on why physicists theorise dark matter to be true.

One of the things you can do to test whether something you cannot directly observe exists is to look for things that would show the effects of the stuff that you are looking for. This sort of stuff is way, way beyond my level of understanding though.

Not sure what your point is anyhow though no doubt it is related to your sky daddy. Probably along the lines of "well you can't prove dark matter (i don't actually know this because the science is beyond me) and you hold it to be true, same for god!"

I'd say in laymans terms that surely if the big guy in the sky is directly unobservable, the eggheads should be able to observe effects that might give away his prescence.

[Jackalope]

Prove to me that dark matter or dark energy exist.

Rather than create a TL;DR post here, I'll just say that evidence strongly suggests that there is a substantial amount of mass that we can't see in the universe. This can be seen in galactic scale. Scientists call this "dark matter", though we don't yet know exactly what it is.

Furthermore, observations also strongly suggest that there is a force that is causing the expansion of space-time to accelerate. Scientists call this "dark energy", though like dark matter, we don't yet know exactly what this is. Much like gravity - though no sane person would claim that gravity doesn't exist.

SOMETHING is causing these observable phenomena. This leaves us with three possible conclusions that I can think of.

1) Dark matter and dark energy exist.

2) The observational data are wrong.

3) Our knowledge of physics is fundamentally flawed.

There is nothing to suggest that 2) or 3) is the case. This leaves us with provisional conclusion that there is substantial matter out there that we can't see, and a fundamental force that we don't understand.

It really isn't that complicated (from a layman's perspective), and for fucks sake, it isn't even that controversial.

[Godscreated]

I'm sorry that you have not come to know, there is always hope though nothing is impossible with God.

Nothing is impossible with God? Really? Because I know a really good guy, devout Christian, loves god.... He's prayed and prayed but he is still missing his left arm. Couldn't God grow his arm back? Doesn't he love this guy and want him to have his arm back? You're god isn't even real. If he is, he's terribly cruel.

First of all I was not talking about a rapture, it is death I'm talking about, these fragile bodies will soon be worm food. Second I do not believe in a rapture because the scriptures do not speak of one nor do they even suggest it. I do not know if Christ will be back in my life time nor even the next generation, I do know this He will return and then everyone will see the truth.

The scriptures do talk about it. There is a whole book dedicated to it. Are you sure you've read it?

Show me where scripture even mentions a rapture of the church, where in scripture is the word rapture. Please enlighten me.

Just because he has a arm missing doesn't mean God does not care, you are being ridiculous. Being that God sees the future He would know best what your friend needs to make his life better, I know that having both arms would be great from our perspective but, we can not see into the future, your friend should understand this since he's a christian. If God grew back his arm would that not eliminate faith and faith is central to Christianity, but that is beyond your understanding, I hope it's not for your friend.

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Tack, you should feel ashamed of yourself for giving this nimrod kudos for that drivel. You don't KNOW anything, GC.

Tack understands what, no he knows what I also know, just because it escapes you at the moment does not mean what we know is not absolutely true. I'm sorry that you have not come to know, there is always hope though nothing is impossible with God.

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Nothing is impossible, except me drinking and fucking my way through heaven, according to you. Looks like something is impossible after all.

Also: Preaching.

That's impossible for you, God does not concern Himself with such things. No preaching on my part, just your deluded mind working overtime.