RE: I know that there are no gods.
March 4, 2011 at 12:09 pm
(This post was last modified: March 4, 2011 at 12:15 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(March 4, 2011 at 9:30 am)fr0d0 Wrote: So you don't 'know' then Ev you're only certain. Pretty much like faith then
If what I am aware of is the absence of any gods, I then know that there are no gods. If what I am ware of is in fact the omnipresence of gods, then I don't know that there are no gods.
(March 4, 2011 at 10:15 am)Watson Wrote: So DvF, where do you claim to derive your sense of confidence from?
From the improbability of reality containing the omnipresence of god(s).
Quote: As I pointed out before, to claim that you are aware of the abscence of any gods is to claim you have some awareness outside yourself,
I can be aware of many things that are not me. I can be aware that there is a sun in the sky for example.
Quote:You would have to see the world, the universe itself in fact, from a perspective which allows you to observe the natural order of things and which, presuming there are no gods, reveals to you by its nature that it worked in a way that lacks gods.
God is supposed to be omnipresent, and since God is improbable, I am probably aware of the absence of gods rather than their presence.
Quote:It's like looking at one piece of the puzzle and claiming to 'know' what the entire puzzle is going to look liek and how it is to be constructed, from start to finish.
If I visualize what the puzzle will look like when finished, and my visualization is accurate, then I am aware of and know what the result of the puzzle is. If not, not.
(March 4, 2011 at 11:21 am)theVOID Wrote: That is no better than a theists own subjective certainty that god exists. Your confidence that you are correct is not KNOWLEDGE, so you DO NOT know that God does not exist, you merely strongly believe so.
Since God is improbable, I am probably aware of - I probably know - his absence rather than his presence in all things (omnipresence).
