(September 23, 2016 at 1:27 pm)_Velvet_ Wrote:(September 23, 2016 at 1:12 pm)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: You're excuse is magic. Non-sensical magic. Operating on a preexisting temporal plane. Orchestrated by a disembodied humanoid mind.
You're thinking of the origins of the universe in linear terms, in terms you as a resident of the universe naturally gravitate to. That you think of a god as inherently temporal (engaging in self-creation etc.) speaks to this. There was no 'prior' to the universe, the universe didn't pop out of some previous state of non-existence because non-existence doesn't exist.
The laws of cause and effect apply to the universe, they don't apply to nothingness because nothing applies to nothingness because nothing doesn't exist.
If you were to travel back in time, the big bang is as far as you could ever possibly go.
1: You're excuse is magic. Non-sensical magic. Operating on a preexisting temporal plane. Operating on a preexisting temporal plane. Orchestrated by a disembodied humanoid mind.
Yes it is, as to me the only reasonable explanation I could come with its to think that something exists that is different from everything else because this thing can, somehow, be non-sensical, to reconcile non-sensical things phenomena like something having no cause or having a "cause" concept without time aplying to it.
2: I can't reallly tell if you are right about the way i'm thinking, i'm not sure.
But i'm not commited to a way of thinking about it, I'm just favoring the ideas that seem to be more reasonable to me, and yeah I think (not completely linearly as I know that we don't have time before time, but I think the we might have things happening prior to the start of time, on that (as you said) preexinting temporal plane.
What if time is not at all linear? What if time is a dimension of infinite space? Then infinite regression is no longer a problem.
