Old threads of discussion I have had.

[Mystic]

Actually, you use too much imagination. Value is abstract to us. But when you begin digging through reflection at what it is, you will realize, it not only proves God, but the 7 heavens, and 7 earths, and the ascending and descent between them.

The fact is you guys want to keep it abstract and are not willing to go deep. The naturalism side leads to a dead end where you realize, if there is no God, it's all wishful magical thinking produce by evolution that myths from false shamans had a lot to do with it.

You believe in value and not God, because you haven't it reflected enough deeply about the matter.

And when we begin to go deep, you stick to short definitions of words to escape it, and keep it abstract, like you did with empathy.

So when you do don’t like my answers because they refute your position, you just change the definitions of the words? Lol, k. Good talk, as usual. 👍

Do you know the concept of abstraction?