(September 20, 2011 at 7:09 am)ElDinero Wrote: I would not agree those are fine standards. Love, like respect, is earned, so God would have to earn my love. I do not love my enemies, that is stupid. My enemies are people who would exploit the weak for their own gain, so no, I don't love them. They can fuck off.Yes, it is so sad that you think love have to be earned. You have children?
Quote:And as with every single other Christian, you've cherry picked which bits of the Bible you want to represent YOUR Christianity. Jesus said he came 'not to bring peace, but to bring a sword'. Would that be the same as loving thine enemy?In actual fact yes. It does state that your enemies may even be those from your own household. It does not imply revenge or anything of the kind.
Quote:I don't need to go back to the barbaric commandments of your God, pre-Christ, to find shitty stuff. There's plenty of crap messages in the New Testament, spoken by your 'saviour' that not only aren't good, but you ignore completely in favour of four passages that sum up how you want to view your religion.You are welcome to raise those, but please use it in context.
Quote:We do not deserve eternal damnation for minor transgressions. And I don't believe in the concept of sin anyway, nor that any of the seven deadly sins are necessarily bad. I don't really think anyone deserves eternal damnation. It's easy to ignore the seriousness of such sins when they're stupid, and ignore the holiness of God when there's no reason to think he exists. What a sad picture of people you have, it's fairly pathetic. Waking up in the morning hating yourself, thinking the best you deserve is to be flogged and tortured for the rest of time.It seems to be a fairly general misconception that real Christians have a poor image of themselves. Humility is quite far removed form a poor self image.
Consider for a moment a transgressor of any law of the land. Does the fact that he knows he is guilty and deserving of punishment now make him this self-hating person?
But consider that you know what the punishment is - it has been clearly spelt out - you cannot claim either ignorance or unfairness.
But that is not the purpose of the discussion - to start with accusations, but rather to put points across - whether accepted or not.
Your suggestion that there is insufficient reason to believe that God exists, is a statement that you cannot back up. To the contrary, even Dawkins admitted that there must be some intelligence - although he contributed it to some weird aliens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoncJBrrdQ8)
Apart from creation, you are welcome to explore the prophecies in the Bible that very accurately descibes future events. The claim that these were recorded after the event is easily dismissed by intelligent study.
The problem is not the facts. The problem is God, whom you presently seemingly reject