"Homosexuality is a choice" and its paradox

[Godscreated]

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A study of identical twins show that around 40% of sets are split, one is gay and the other is not. So to some degree there is a question of genetics, to what degree I do not believe has been determined. This could point to the way a person perceives things as they grow up, thus a choice to be gay or not to be gay. Then maybe identical twins are not as identical as thought to be and some people are born to be attracted to the same gender and others are not. This is all for science to work out some day.

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If it is a matter of genetics then it is not a matter of choice. As you yourself seem to say, there is a difference between being gay (i.e., being born desiring sex and love relationships with people of the same sex) and choosing to engage in homosexual acts. What needs to be emphasized here is that the person whose being is disposed toward finding intimate happiness with people of the same sex are sacrificing enormously if they choose not to fulfill their inborn desires whereas it costs you or I absolutely nothing.

I do not know if it's genetic or not, but I agree if it is genetic then gays have no choice in who they are, they do posses the choice of acting upon their desires, just as heterosexuals have a choice to engage in sex before marriage.
It's not our fault gays find themselves in the position of being gay, so I will not let guilt be a guide, that would be dishonest. The gays who decide to be Christians are to withhold their desires according to scripture, actually Scripture calls for all gays to withhold their desires. I'm stating this from the view of genetics.

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As for what scripture says (ie. God), the act of same gender sex is not natural and is to be refrained from completely. I do not know anywhere in scripture that says some people are or are not born with an attraction to the same gender, as far as I know the scriptures are neutral on this. It however is not neutral on the act of homosexuality in any form.

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Trust me, no one here much cares what the bible has to say on the subject.

I know that! I do however and I'm stating what I believe and will conduct my life by what it says.

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Scriptures do not speak against the gays not having rights, it speaks against gays having the right to marry and act physically upon their feelings. So I would believe that gays having rights as married couples is scripturally wrong. Thus the reason most Christians are opposed to those rights and it is our right to choose to oppose those rights according to our Constitution.

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But when you act collectively in the political realm to foist laws on everyone using as a rationale what it says in the bible, you turn ordinary non-theists into anti-thesists. If your bible motivates you to ban gay marriage then you had better be prepared to justify that in secular terms. The bible-says-so will not suffice as a reason. I have no qualms with your beliefs until you try to impose them on the rest of us. Then you motivate me to not only push back on that issue but to do everything in my power to destroy the root cause.

So, it's okay to be a Christian just do not believe in what it stands for, is this the way religion's suppose to be treated in the U.S. Is this what you are stating, 'you can have all the religion you want in this country it's your constitutional right, but you can not express what you believe to be true.' Sounds like a sweet deal for you and your ilk. You have no qualms with Christians as long as they stay in their place keeping their opinions and speech to themselves, this what you call a free society, freedom is okay as long as it doesn't infringe on your beliefs, this what you desire. Well I can get motivated myself when pushed, you have no right to say how I can vote on issues and you will not push your beliefs on me and those who stand with God.

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To deny a gay person the rights as an individual is wrong as long as the community says it's okay, and scripture does not speak against it, this should be a Christians stance. This subject is a hot bed of disagreement and until both sides sit down and peacefully try and draw sensible conclusions to this it will remain so, hate and anger have never solved a problem, only increased the misunderstandings of both sides.

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GC

I think you mean Christians should be okay with extending equal rights to gays when that is the law of the land no matter whether you think the bible tells you as Christians to live otherwise. That is a sensible position although it is still inhumane to the gay children taught to hate themselves who grow up in Christian families. But if you think that arguing from the bible is a rationale for political action you will simply motivate your enemies.

I'm saying Christians should uphold the laws of the land as long as they do not go against God's law. I do not agree with abortion and never will, I consider it murder, that's why I do not want it federally funded. There's nothing at this time I can do about the law, but I can vote for those who oppose federally funding abortion and that my friend is my constitutional right. I can't help how others raise their children and I do not believe anyone has the right to interfere unless the child's physical life is in danger. As far as motivating my enemies, I've never seen an enemy that needed to be motivated. Those who see themselves as enemies will go against anything their opposites stand for. I'm not trying to be anyone's enemy, I will speak up for what I believe and stand firmly until otherwise convinced. I can argue from nature as well, but I'll stay away from that for now.

GC