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Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy
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RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy
Quote:Of course I do.  Applying the same criteria to both doesn't alter that.

So shall we apply the same criteria to this excerpt from Tacitus' History?

Quote:81. In the course of the months which Vespasian spent at Alexandria, waiting for the regular season of summer winds when the sea could be relied upon, (1) many miracles occurred. These seemed to be indications that Vespasian enjoyed heaven's blessing and that the gods showed a certain leaning towards him. Among the lower classes at Alexandria was a blind man whom everybody knew as such. One day this fellow threw himself at Vespasian's feet, imploring him with groans to heal his blindness. He had been told to make this request by Serapis, the favourite god of a nation much addicted to strange beliefs. He asked that it might please the emperor to anoint his cheeks and eyeballs with the water of his mouth. A second petitioner, who suffered from a withered hand, pleaded his case too, also on the advice of Serapis: would Caesar tread upon him with the imperial foot? At first Vespasian laughed at them and refused. When the two insisted, he hesitated. At one moment he was alarmed by the thought that he would be accused of vanity if he failed. At the next, the urgent appeals of the two victims and the flatteries of his entourage made him sanguine of success. Finally he asked the doctors for an opinion whether blindness and atrophy of this sort were curable by human means. The doctors were eloquent on the various possibilities. The blind man's vision was not completely destroyed, and if certain impediments were removed his sight would return. The other victim's limb had been dislocated, but could be put right by correct treatment. Perhaps this was the will of the gods, they added; perhaps the emperor had been chosen to perform a miracle. Anyhow, if a cure were effected, the credit would go to the ruler; if it failed, the poor wretches would have to bear the ridicule. So Vespasian felt that his destiny gave him the key to every door and that nothing now defied belief. With a smiling expression and surrounded by an expectant crowd of bystanders, he did what was asked. Instantly the cripple recovered the use of his hand and the light of day dawned again upon his blind companion. Both these incidents are still vouched for by eye-witnesses, though there is now nothing to be gained by lying. (2)

Will you now worship Serapis?
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Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 23, 2016 at 7:24 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Aoi Magi - September 23, 2016 at 9:56 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 23, 2016 at 9:58 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Mudhammam - September 24, 2016 at 1:56 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Mudhammam - September 24, 2016 at 2:38 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 2:25 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 24, 2016 at 2:55 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 2:58 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 24, 2016 at 2:56 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Mudhammam - September 24, 2016 at 10:44 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Angrboda - September 24, 2016 at 11:19 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 24, 2016 at 3:00 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 3:01 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Arkilogue - September 24, 2016 at 3:38 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Mudhammam - September 24, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 24, 2016 at 12:21 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 24, 2016 at 12:28 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Mudhammam - September 24, 2016 at 1:18 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by GUBU - September 29, 2016 at 5:43 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Mudhammam - September 29, 2016 at 9:02 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by GUBU - September 30, 2016 at 3:32 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by RoadRunner79 - September 30, 2016 at 10:10 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by GUBU - October 1, 2016 at 4:50 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 24, 2016 at 1:23 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Mudhammam - September 24, 2016 at 8:53 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Mudhammam - September 24, 2016 at 11:42 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 24, 2016 at 9:49 pm
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RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 24, 2016 at 11:35 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Mudhammam - September 24, 2016 at 11:53 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 27, 2016 at 2:19 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 24, 2016 at 11:54 pm
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RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 25, 2016 at 12:37 pm
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RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 27, 2016 at 2:27 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by RoadRunner79 - September 27, 2016 at 6:05 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 25, 2016 at 12:42 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by RoadRunner79 - September 25, 2016 at 12:54 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 27, 2016 at 2:29 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Vicki Q - September 25, 2016 at 4:51 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Vicki Q - September 26, 2016 at 4:33 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Simon Moon - September 28, 2016 at 4:32 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Mudhammam - September 28, 2016 at 8:15 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Vicki Q - September 28, 2016 at 4:21 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 27, 2016 at 12:38 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Vicki Q - September 27, 2016 at 5:46 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 27, 2016 at 2:22 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 27, 2016 at 5:58 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Mudhammam - September 28, 2016 at 10:02 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Mudhammam - September 28, 2016 at 11:28 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Vicki Q - September 28, 2016 at 4:23 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Mudhammam - September 29, 2016 at 9:24 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by robvalue - September 30, 2016 at 4:47 am
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Minimalist - September 30, 2016 at 3:35 pm
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RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by Jehanne - October 1, 2016 at 8:09 pm
RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by GUBU - October 3, 2016 at 3:56 am
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RE: Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy - by robvalue - October 3, 2016 at 11:51 pm

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