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Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics.
(September 14, 2011 at 7:58 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Not sure what peasants, slaves, and kings have to do with science

Christianity didn't create democracy. Democracy came to be in spite of Christianity.

Quote:but I assure you that Whitehead was not a Christian Apologist and neither is Richard Dawkins for that matter but they do know a thing or two about the history of science and both agree that the Christian Reformation was responsible for the birth of modern science.

The only thing the Reformation did was split up the power of Christianity, giving scientists the room to maneuver. At first, they had to tread lightly but over time Christianity's power waned enough that we could eventually have the Age of Enlightenment.

Quote:Special pleading. Go ahead and hold them to a different standard though, their writings are far better preserved than any other so they already pass that higher standard.
The burden of proof is directly proportional to how extraordinary the claims are. Mundane claims are usually accepted at face value. Extraordinary claims are subjected to proportional levels of scrutiny and skepticism.

I'd venture you play by the same rules in all areas of life aside from your religion. If I told you I had lunch with a local friend, you'd accept the claim. If I told you I had lunch with my dead father who'd come back to life to tell me about the hereafter, you'd demand a great deal of proof before even considering the claim.

Quote:Begging the question, you have defined scripture as mythology to try and prove that scripture is mythology. Luke is a historian of high regard.
How many historical documents contain accounts of zombies, faith healing, demons and magic?

Luke is held in high regard as a historian by whom?

Do you regard the Iliad as a historical document?

Quote:Yup.
Did you read that passage? Your answer was a clear case of fail.
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RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Sam - September 10, 2011 at 7:47 pm
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by DeistPaladin - September 14, 2011 at 8:13 pm
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Ryft - September 16, 2011 at 12:42 am
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Ryft - September 18, 2011 at 12:19 am
RE: Van Tillian/Clarkian Presuppositional Apologetics. - by Sam - September 27, 2011 at 9:57 am

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