I heard God

[Jason Jarred]

I challange that you are not really seriously considering rational human beings have experiences with God.

Rational human beings do not have experiences with a god. To be rational shows clear thought and reasoning skills, and god believers are unable to show clear thought and reasoning when it comes to their belief in a god.
So you're right, we do not consider rational human beings to have experiences with a god.

[Tiberius]

A rational person thinks of every single possible scenario, ranks them in order of recursive complexity, and chooses the best explanation out of that.

"God" is repeatedly the most complex explanation, as it relies on such a being to exist, to have a reason for its existence, and for several other criteria to be filled, all of which are equally complex (omnipotence, omnipresence, etc). A rational person does not consider God until all other scenarios are dealt with.

[FutureAndAHope]

Mat 15:19 For out of the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, railings.

What does athiesm at its heart produce. What is the heart of athiesm. Is it a defiling force or a force for good? Who is it accountable to? What is its laws?

[Darwinian]

Atheism isn't a religion, nor is it a philosophy or a movement. It is simply the dis-belief in a god or gods. Nothing more.

Therefore it does not comment on anything else, except perhaps a rational and open minded attitude towards the Universe.

[Jason Jarred]

Mat 15:19 For out of the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, railings.

What does athiesm at its heart produce. What is the heart of athiesm. Is it a defiling force or a force for good? Who is it accountable to? What is its laws?

Here's one of my favourites:

Don't put that there, you idiot! Mum 1:53

No wait, how about this:

And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

Talk about a fettish.
Oh I've got so many great quotes, how about this:

Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

*cough*Utah*cough*
Hmmm, or this:

And Jacob said to Rebekah his mother, Behold, Esau my brother is a hairy man, and I am a smooth man:

(full of hidden meaning that quote!)
But here is one of my favourites:

He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

I'm going to repeat what I said in the other thread. F&H, have you even read the Old Testament?

[Ace Otana]

Mat 15:19 For out of the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, railings.

What does athiesm at its heart produce. What is the heart of athiesm. Is it a defiling force or a force for good? Who is it accountable to? What is its laws?

Atheism isn't a religion. It's plain and simple lack of belief. Dis-belief in god!

Atheism isn't about morality.

The fact is that even IF atheists were all evil, this has NOTHING to do with the existance of god!

Even IF! Atheists murded people (Which we don't!) and eat babies (Which is something we also don't) then it still would mean nothing. Even IF what you said about us atheists were true, this still doesnt make your religion true. It would still leave your beliefs un-proven and dismissed.

EVIDENCE!!! Not sladering people who's views are differant from your own!

Harsh but true! Your going no where by pre-judging atheists. Your god is still un-proven and not worth listening too.

Even "IF" we did steal, murder and had evil thoughts. It would still not support your beliefs. Also as a reminder, YOU have no evidence of any kind showing atheists doing something wrong in the name of atheism!

Christian priests have sexually assulted young boys! What have you got to say about that?

The whole point is that it has nothing to do with good or evil at all. It's down to the best arguement through data/evidence/proof.

If you desire to bring up bad events that is NOT relevant to proving gods existance then I can do that but it would mean going off topic!

Your religion is not all good you know! The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415. That was a very immoral thing to do and they were all christian. They clearly had evil thoughts didn't they? They murdered! What makes them so much better than atheists? In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities. Atheists never did this!
Don't talk about atheists doing evil if theists (Christians) have done far worse!

[Edwardo Piet]

I believe Dawkins deals with 'Argument for the existence of God based on personal experience' or the like, in TGD.

[FutureAndAHope]

Athiesm is not guitless of crimes against humanity even today in North Korea thousands of people die in death camps, for the atheistic communist ideal of no God. Communism was formulated by God haters, and continues to be one of the most represive forms of government on the planet. Aid workers who we know working in North Korea have visited camps where 40,000 christians are forced to work 17 hour days in coal mines with a life expectancy of 5 years.

Not one christian country has death camps, it can't be all that evil. In fact the most prosperous countries on earth are those with a Christian heritage.

[Ace Otana]

Athiesm is not guitless of crimes against humanity even today in North Korea thousands of people die in death camps, for the atheistic communist ideal of no God. Communism was formulated by God haters, and continues to be one of the most represive forms of government on the planet. Aid workers who we know working in North Korea have visited camps where 40,000 christians are forced to work 17 hour days in coal mines with a life expectancy of 5 years.

Not one christian country has death camps, it can't be all that evil. In fact the most prosperous countries on earth are those with a Christian heritage.

Ok, first off, Yes there were christian death camps! In fact history is littered with murder by christian mobs.

Secondly, Even IF atheists were all bad, This does not prove that religion is correct.

It proves nothing and does not support your claims. The existance of god has nothing to do with good or evil, It's about evidence.

Atheists doing bad things does not prove gods existance.

Your claims remain un-proven and dismissed.

So far you have shown NO relevants to the debate at hand. You change the topic to nasty events instead of trying to prove yourself. And don't start mentioning "I don't have to prove myself" because you do if you claim something as big as what your claiming, And plus, you challanging atheists with your claims. When you do these things, it's expected for you to prove yourself.

You can't prove a damn thing by claiming that atheists are bad. because even if this was true, it would not support any of your claims.

[Spashie]

ATHEISTS CAN BE AS BAD AS CHRISTIANS ARE. BELIEFS NORMALLY DONT CHANGE MUCH OF YOUR PERSONALITY. NEITHER ONE IS EVIL ALTHOUGH MORE DEATHS HAS OCCURRED BECAUSE OF THE LATTER.

Why is that so hard to process? :/