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10 Arguments Against Hell
#61
RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
A very good point DP.

I'm pretty sure in the movies, TV and in real life when someone says angrily, "I'll see you in hell!" - they're not implying "...as the party greeter with your festive hat and fruity cocktail."
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#62
RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
(May 9, 2012 at 2:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: Satan cares nothing for those who will spend eternity in hell, evil cares for nothing or no one. Satan will be far to busy trying to handle his own punishment to worry about anyone else. For those who think hell will be a party, you are completely deluded in you thought, God ordained hell as punishment, that being the total opposite of the wonders of heaven.

Says god, or those who wrote for god who is actually just a crazy imagination.
Very one sides isn't it? We hear god's opinion of hell and Satan but nothing from Satan. Perhaps Satan is being the bigger man and refuses to lower himself to god's immature standards.
Perhaps you're wrong and that those who go to hell are free from god's immaturity.
Satan seems like the good guy you know.

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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#63
RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
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#64
RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
(May 9, 2012 at 4:03 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: You know, I still haven't heard a reason why some people "freely reject" God? Why would anyone reject God? If you say because of their hearts, then why do some people with sinful hearts reject God while others with sinful hearts accept him?

Let's try this one, one more time, you have rejected God, so the answer is within you.
(May 9, 2012 at 2:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: For those who think hell will be a party, you are completely deluded in you thought, God ordained hell as punishment, that being the total opposite of the wonders of heaven.

Wc Wrote:What is causing the punishment?

Your sin and everyone else whose sin goes unforgiven.

Wc Wrote:In any case liberation from your useless tyrant god sounds wonderful. Hell cannot logically be awful if a person hates god so much they find co-existing with him more unbearable than eternal darkness.

Now that's ROFLOL, Because you and the other atheist here say how is it that God could send people to such an awful place.Confused Fall















God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#65
RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
(May 9, 2012 at 11:59 pm)Godschild Wrote:
Wc Wrote:What is causing the punishment?
Your sin and everyone else whose sin goes unforgiven.
How? Who wants to be forgiven when you can be free?


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Wc Wrote:In any case liberation from your useless tyrant god sounds wonderful. Hell cannot logically be awful if a person hates god so much they find co-existing with him more unbearable than eternal darkness.
Now that's ROFLOL, Because you and the other atheist here say how is it that God could send people to such an awful place.Confused Fall
Well that's very un-Christian of you. You're not supposed to find the damnation of another amusing. According to you your god's not laughing, so why are you? Acknowledge the point please. If the sinner -utterly hates- god hell cannot function properly as a place or state of punishment as you claim. They'd hate co-existing with god much more than separation from him correct? Heaven on the other hand, surrounded by the god they detest, and forced to sing songs of praise, would be the rebellious soul's worst nightmare.

You haven't grasped the concept of punishment at all have you? Do you spite yourself with chocolate whenever you wrong someone?
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#66
RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
(May 10, 2012 at 3:41 am)Welsh cake Wrote: Well that's very un-Christian of you. You're not supposed to find the damnation of another amusing. According to you your god's not laughing, so why are you? Acknowledge the point please. If the sinner -utterly hates- god hell cannot function properly as a place or state of punishment as you claim. They'd hate co-existing with god much more than separation from him correct? Heaven on the other hand, surrounded by the god they detest, and forced to sing songs of praise, would be the rebellious soul's worst nightmare.

You haven't grasped the concept of punishment at all have you? Do you spite yourself with chocolate whenever you wrong someone?

Interestingly enough, you just described the Eastern conception of Hell.

In the West (Catholicism and the protestant denominations which split off), Hell is the absence of God, love himself. Wicked people reject God, and suffering is a result of that.

In the East (mostly the Orthodox churches), it is impossible to ever be in the "absence of God". Everyone is in the presence of God, but what can be more terrible to someone who has rejected goodness than to be in the presence of all goodness?

(Not that "rejected" does not necessarily imply "does not believe in")

I think both conceptions of Hell are interesting and worth contemplation.

Also I don't think he's laughing at damnation, just laughing at atheists who try to say that Hell is unjust and then turn around and say that Hell is a "party"! Tongue
Mary Immaculate, star of the morning
Chosen before the creation began
Chosen to bring for your bridal adorning
Woe to the serpent and rescue to man.

Sinners, we honor your sinless perfection;
Fallen and weak, for your pity we plead;
Grand us the shield of your sovereign protection,
Measure your aid by the depth of our need.

Bend from your throne at the voice of our crying,
Bend to this earth which your footsteps have trod;
Stretch out your arms to us, living and dying,
Mary Immaculate, Mother of God.


Heart
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#67
RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.

Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.

You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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#68
RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
(May 9, 2012 at 11:59 pm)Godschild Wrote:


Wc Wrote:How? Who wants to be forgiven when you can be free?

What ever made you believe you would be free in hell, when God makes a place like hell it is intended for punishment, and last I checked punishment to everyone is not considered freedom.


Quote:Now that's ROFLOL, Because you and the other atheist here say how is it that God could send people to such an awful place.Confused Fall

Wc Wrote:Well that's very un-Christian of you. You're not supposed to find the damnation of another amusing. According to you your god's not laughing, so why are you? Acknowledge the point please. If the sinner -utterly hates- god hell cannot function properly as a place or state of punishment as you claim. They'd hate co-existing with god much more than separation from him correct? Heaven on the other hand, surrounded by the god they detest, and forced to sing songs of praise, would be the rebellious soul's worst nightmare.

There you go again, doing what you claim christians do that irritate you so, judging.
I was not laughing at the possibility of you or anyone going to hell, I find it the most tragic happening in ones life, especially when it can be totally avoided.
You are wrong in assuming that the separation from God would be pleasant for any reason. Their hatred will be turn toward God because they did not choose Him, after seeing exactly what they missed they will find it within them to blame God for their plight. They will also suffer the horror of separation, God's justice is balanced, as I said the wonders of heaven and the punishment of hell are diametric opposites.
Their desire will be to be in heaven, their reality is they can never have their desire and will have to suffer that for eternity. They will hate God because of the position they find their selves. Read the parable of the rich man and Lazarus.

God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#69
RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
(May 10, 2012 at 12:49 pm)Godschild Wrote: What ever made you believe you would be free in hell, when God makes a place like hell it is intended for punishment, and last I checked punishment to everyone is not considered freedom.
And you think kissing his feet for all eternity is freedom?

If you love something you set it free. Your god hasn't comprehended this revelation yet.


Quote:Their hatred will be turn toward God because they did not choose Him, after seeing exactly what they missed they will find it within them to blame God for their plight.
Which is exactly why separation from god is so splendid for the sinner that hates god above all else.


Quote:Their desire will be to be in heaven, their reality is they can never have their desire and will have to suffer that for eternity. They will hate God because of the position they find their selves. Read the parable of the rich man and Lazarus.
No. They don't desire Heaven. I for one don't desire Heaven. You're not understanding this whole apathy and intense hatred towards god and his kingdom very well are you?
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#70
RE: 10 Arguments Against Hell
(May 11, 2012 at 6:03 pm)Welsh cake Wrote: Which is exactly why separation from god is so splendid for the sinner that hates god above all else.

God is love; the source of all good and happiness. Finding a total absence of all joy and happiness as "splendid" is cartoonish villainy and not how people genuinely are
Mary Immaculate, star of the morning
Chosen before the creation began
Chosen to bring for your bridal adorning
Woe to the serpent and rescue to man.

Sinners, we honor your sinless perfection;
Fallen and weak, for your pity we plead;
Grand us the shield of your sovereign protection,
Measure your aid by the depth of our need.

Bend from your throne at the voice of our crying,
Bend to this earth which your footsteps have trod;
Stretch out your arms to us, living and dying,
Mary Immaculate, Mother of God.


Heart
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